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I tried eating some dried figs and thought that it would be safe eating fat an hour later, man was I wrong.

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Yep, that is toooo late!
The most effective is olive oil, since it is 100% oil = 100% fat = 100% effective. That is why you should take a few bites of the salad (topped with sufficient olive oil) immediately after every time you have eaten some fruits / dried fruits.

Brazil nuts / walnuts / macadamia nuts are also very effective (about 66% fat)

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do dried fruits spike your inulin level more then fresh ones. Does dried corn fall into this category too?

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Dried fruits are more concentrated, so it is a bit more easy to eat lots of sugars, but still, these sugars are not bad, it is the lack of fat that is bad. The sugars are essential, and the fat is essential to keep the blood sugar level from fluctuating too much. You're safe with the fat, regardless of how much dried fruits you eat. really (just try).

Starches spike the insulin level more than simple, but mixed sugars, like fruit sugars. The reason: starches are chains of glucose only, which all together spike the glucose level at the same time.
But in fruit sugars half of the sugars is fructose instead of glucose, and this fructose first has to be converted into glucose before it can spike the glucose level, so fruit sugars more gradually spike the insulin level, and thus starches are worse. (goracergo is diabetic and needs less insulin while on this diet)

Sweet corn contains little carbohydrates in general, only 19% in total. (pasta is the worst, it contains more than 60% starch)

Anyway, Taylor, I have been able to order sushi as a munch food, I just ask them to leave out the nori. I eat about six pieces with no problem. But the fish is not enough fat for me, I don't know about you. I have gotten to the point where I just drink olive oil from the bottle (got this idea from Goracargo!). Also, I just got some virgin coconut oil, that tastes great just eating with a spoon. You can do that before you go to the restaurant, or, there are lots of rolls with avocado in them, that works for the fat.

[ August 14, 2001: Message edited by: Veronica ]

So you really need some oil or a handful of nuts to counteract that. but is your skin totally clear?
You should only eat munch foods when your skin is 100% clear, so that nothing is confusing about what causes that new pimple...

As far as I know you cannot eat raw eal...

I can eat about 3 sushi rolls (with the nori) without breaking out, but only if I eat 100% clear 1 day before and 1 day after...
For me it definitely is the rice that makes me break out.

[ August 15, 2001: Message edited by: Wai ]

In my readings, I have noticed that Dr. Erasmus recommends taking fats BEFORE eating high glucose containing foods. I know that Wai recommends doing it after. Does it really matter? I would think it is better to take the fats first because it will slow down everything that follows it.

Instead of taking Olive Oil most of the time after eating fruits. I take Flax Seed oil and some of Udo's own mixture of balanced oils.

And while I am thinking of it, there's another excellent book on Glycemic Indexing of Food called "The Glucose Revolution". It was written by a number of doctors and also is a very interesting read.

Seth

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Seth wrote
he states that there should be a balance between the Omegas 3's and 6's (A ratio of 2:1 I think it is).

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You don't have to worry about that at all, our natural foods (the fish, the yolks, the olive oil, the Brazil nuts) contain all the omega fatty acids we need and it does not matter that they contain different ratios since fatty acids can very easily be metabolized. If you consume sufficient natural fats, you will not lack any of them and you will certainly not get too fat while on this diet

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I have noticed that Dr. Erasmus recommends taking fats BEFORE eating high glucose containing foods. I know that Wai recommends doing it after. Does it really matter?

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I does not matter if you drink pure oil, but if you eat avocado, or have the oil topped over your salad, you should eat those after the fruits, to prevent digestion problems. Just try; if you eat the salad before the fruits, your stomach might not feel that well and this might originate some gasses. The more the tomatoes and cucumbers etc have perfectly ripened, the less of a problem this is.
But if you take the oil only, then you can perfectly consume the oil first indeed.

[ August 16, 2001: Message edited by: Wai ]

I eat alot of figs myself and I notice they make me feel racier than fresh fruit.
I already have one avacado, a few tomatos covered in olive oil (almost enough to be considered a soup) prepped before I even eat the figs.
I eat about 10 dried figs to one salad as mentioned above.
If I am out and have fruit....and dont have any sufficient fat available...I can feel it.

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It's when I add the figs I get gassy and bloated. Wai, do you have any idea why this is happening?

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I know. (is that okay? )
It is definetly the cabbage. Most people have problems digesting the cabbage, which becomes apparent when combined with fruits.
The cabbage really isn't worth it, it contains nothing that you cannot ingest in larger quantities from fruits / nuts.
Cabbage supplies you with hardly any nutrients while it does contain enzyminhibitors that inhibit the uptake of nutrients. Cabbage also contains much glucosinolates, which originates mildly toxic (to the thyroid) thiocyanate.
Cabbages very easily cause bloating.

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Also wondering about the jitteriness after I consume the figs. I'm eating them with lots of olive oil so I'm wondering if the jitteriness means that it's spiking my glucose level and causing acne.

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Well, that is very easy to test. First you need to clear your skin 100% and then you start eating the figs every day, WITH lots of olive oil. (while you are sticking to the sample diet 100%)
Then you know within a week.
If you don't test it, you will keep onspeculating about it, and you will remain confused, so it is better to take away that consfusion forever by accurately testing it.
But when you consume sufficient olive with / after it, I don't think it can cause acne.

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Well I tried the figs with just the olive oil and still got really gassy and broke out 2 days later, why did this happen?

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Did you eat any munch food in the week priorly?
How much fat did you take with how many figs?
Men are generally more susceptible to becoming gassy from dried fruits than women. To prevent the gasses you better soak them overnight prior to consumption, in water.

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I also have a question about tomatoes, since they're considered a fruit, should I not eat them without sufficient fat or are they okay to eat alone?

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The fat is essential, since they are fruits indeed.

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One more question about mushrooms and fresh jalepeno peppers, are they okay to eat?

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Raw mushrooms can make you gassy, jalepeno peppers can easily make you break out.

You can never overeat on figs (unless they cause gasses or if too little fat is consumed), but how much oil did you consume with the figs? (and with how many figs)

[ August 20, 2001: Message edited by: Wai ]

[ August 20, 2001: Message edited by: Veronica ]

Rob

Onetwothree, the only thing I'm careful of is not to eat too much of the raw egg yolks or sashimi, 50 grams max. Other than that, I don't bother to count calories or measure proportions at all, I just let my appetite be my guide. I must say, I eat a lot of oil, both coconut and olive. I dip my fruit in the coconut oil, just like Taylor, pour it in my fruitshake, even eat it with a spoon. I just hate getting a sugar rush from fruit, and I know it's bad for my skin and digestion, so the oil solves all for me. I drown my salad in olive oil and put olive oil or butter on my cooked potatoes. I'm still shocked that I can do this, I was sure I would be a fat, greasy mess from eating this way.

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I eat about 15 figs and I make sure to dip them in the olive oil each time. I know it sounds gross but it tastes pretty good.

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I'm afraid that is not enough oil.
the reason: dried figs are very concentrated, because dried. Now imagine eating 15 full grown non-dried figs in a row; that is A LOT.
So, that is a major meal, which requires a major intake of fat, especially because you are so susceptible to fluctuating blood sugar levels.

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but don't know why I'm getting an upset stomach

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I do; because of eating 15 figs in a row.

So what you better do is this:
you eat only 5 figs (dried or fresh) and then you eat enough of the salad containing lots of olive oil until you are filled up.
Then once your energy levels tend to go down again, you eat another 5 figs and the salad.
Instead of the salad you can also eat Brazil nuts, walnuts or macadamia nuts of course.

[ August 21, 2001: Message edited by: Wai ]

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I've read that if you just take straight up carbs too much it can lead to diabetes.

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True, because you need sufficient fat to stabilize the blood sugar level.so there is nothing wrong with eating a lot of sugars, as long as they are always accompanied with lots of fat.

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Right now I'm working towards a 50/30/20 split, that's basically 50% calories from carbs, 30% from fats, and 20% from protein.

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There is no need to do that. You can perfectly eat the fish / yolks just once a day. So the protein rate per meal is totally unimportant.
The only thing that is important is that you eat enough fat with every meal.

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I am physically active and would like to be in optimal health.

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Asside from accidents, violence and rare gentically based diseases etc., optimum health will be accomplished when sufficient of all required nutrients are absorbed and no harmfull chemicals.

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It's amazing that enough fat solves the problem either way

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That is because fatty acids are the main source of energy for the bowels (and the heart). If the bowels have too little fats at their disposal, they cannot do their job properly, which can result in diarrhea or constipation.

I usually take 4-5 table spoons after each meal where I consume a lot of fruit. I look at it in ratio to carbohydrates consumed. If I eat 350-400 grams of crabs, I take 35-40 grams of fat. I would be amazed if I should be taking more than that in fat since 3-4 tablespoons is around 480 calories; if you times that by 3, I am taking close to 1500 calories in fat alone per 1200 grams of carbs.
Wai, isn't it possible just to find a ratio between carbs and fats, and use that as a guideline?

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I didn't know that Flax seed oil is something to avoid.

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We are all individually very different and what causes some digestion problems in one (dried fruits) may be absolutely perfect for somebody else.
Flaxseed oil (as it is from flaxseed) contains some enzyminhibitors that may impair you digestion to some extend. If you feel perfectly fine with it, take it!

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I am taking close to 1500 calories in fat alone per 1200 grams of carbs.

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That is perfect!

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Wai, isn't it possible just to find a ratio between carbs and fats, and use that as a guideline?

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Well, 50%-50% regarding energy is a great ratio (and yours is even better)
In weight this ratio is very different since 1 gram of fat contains 9 calories whiule 1 gram sugar contains 4 calories.
So, roughly the ratio would be 1 gram fat on every 2 grams sugars.

How much fat and sugars foods contain can be found on the label, and here you can find the contents of fruits, salad ingredients and fish and egg yolks

Thank you for this great idea Seth!
The guideline has been added to the "Acne Sample Diet" page

[ August 21, 2001: Message edited by: Wai ]

Seth, thanks so much for your last question and Wai's answer. Now everyone, be specific and tell HOW you are consuming all this oil! I do have a hard time doing it! I have found an o.o. That I love(also have the virgin coconut oil but only use it as a moisturizer) but I don't think I am getting enough. Thanks a bunch!

[ August 22, 2001: Message edited by: Del ]

As far as the spike in the blood causing acne, I think its important to take the proper amount of sugar and fat for either maintaining muscle mass or building muscle mass. So for me I am still trying to figure out what is exactly right for me. So far I take the 2 egg yolks and suppose to take about 15 brazil nuts but I don't because of the stomach upset. It should be a big help to you to read the post about the ratio of fats to sugar. It was for me but there still is the problem of the stomach upset.

I think when you eat the nuts and dried fruit you are not supposed to give it a lot of thought. Just eat until you are satisfied, but always soak the dried fruit for stomach upset, guys more so than girls! I will eat a handful of nuts and about 5 dates at a time and I am satisfied (when I ate them). If you are a guy, you may need more. Maybe Wai will come on soon and shed some more light on this for us! Hang in there!

I got that info from Veronica and Goracergo posts but I will be happy to share with you. Goracergo uses an oil that you can also eat or cook with. Get it at www.coconut-info.com/purchase.htm. This is the one I bought and I like it very much. It smells good on my body and I can also eat it.
Veronica uses an oil from www.store.yahoo.com/thevitaminsolution/cocoileigsce.html This one comes in different fragrances and you can not eat it. She loves hers too! I am sure one or both of them will find this and add to it.

Sue, I am enjoying your recipes and looking forward to many more! Thanks a lot!

I go somewhere around a 2:1 ratio carbs-fats. So if I eat 10 grams of carbs, I will take 5 grams of fat. Now, I am looking into the difference in glycemic index of food. For instance, I highly doubt you need as much oil if you eat some apples and berries as compared to dried dates and kiwi, so I don't know about 2:1 being a great all around guideline since it doesn't take the difference in glycemic indexing into account. Dried dates for instance rank 147, which is astronomically high. I think Apples are around 47. Pure sugar is 100. I am still experimenting and trying to figure out certain ratios.

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I don't know about 2:1 being a great all around guideline since it doesn't take the difference in glycemic indexing into account. Dried dates for instance rank 147, which is astronomically high. I think Apples are around 47.

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Yes, it does take the difference in account, because it is about the sugar contents (there is not that much difference in the glucose / sugars ratio, so that the sugar ratio is a quite good guideline).
I guess you cannot say that the glycemic acid of dried rates is "3-fold higher" than that of apples, but if you look at the glucose and sugar contents, you get a very clear picture of why the dried dates are so much higher on that glycemic index:

Glucose contents:
dried dates; 25% + 7% from the sucrose
apples; 2% + 1% from the sucrose

Sugar / carbs contents
dried dates; 65%
apples; 11%

Here is a list that I just made.

[ August 23, 2001: Message edited by: Wai ]

This is becoming clearer.

Seth are you measuring everything? So can you give me some examples of fruit to fat in terms of tablespoons and fruit? No grams or percentages. I always thought this fat and sugar thing was not supposed to be so calulated...just enjoy...eat until you are satisfied and when you feel like it. No breakfast, lunch or dinner.

I tried eating a small spoon of the coconut nut oil 2x yesterday and about gagged. I just don't think I can ever take the o.o. by itself. There is a possibilty I could do it if I could drink it BEFORE the nice juicy piece of fruit(Which I meant to say in my last post) I think the same would happen with the o.o. So now I am back to eating the salad everytime or can I sometimes have just a tomato w/ o.o. or just a cucumber w/o.o. or just an avocado w/o.o.of course after a nice juicy piece of fruit. I have got to get in this oil, I know! I will start adding it to my shake today. 2 tablespoons ?? Is that okay??

Thanks for that wonderful chart! It is so nice of you to do this for us!! :smile: It really is a lot clearer but now to put in practise is another matter!!

Why is the Jack fruit and prickly pear in red?

To be honest, I haven't really sat down and measured things out so much. My metabolism happens to be extrememly high since I am 188lbs and have 10% body fat. I took a thermogenic tester that measures your daily caloric burn (as if you were idling) and it was well over 2000. In other words, it takes a heck of a lot of food for me to gain weight. This being said, and knowing that essential fats will never make you fat, I just down a lot of it after eating carbs. I would go far as to say that sometimes I may take 10-15 tablespoons of it. I have been doing this for almost 2 weeks, and I actually lost fat, so go figure.!
I heavily recommend that Udo Erasmus book "Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill". Anything and everything you would ever want to know about fats are in that book. It's not that expensive either. (around $20 USD)

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I noticed that dried apples are low, are dried cherries, mango and pears also low because fresh, these are all about the same?

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When fresh fruits are dried, their glucose contents go from

3 to 16% Apple
4 to 24% Apricot
4 to 24% Peach
5 to 23% Plum
7 to 31% Raisin, sultana

So, this means that the glucose contents increase about 4.5 to 6-fold when fruits are dried, so dried cherries will contain about 31 to 42 gram glucose, dried mango about 27 to 36 gram glucose and dried pears about 13 to 18 gram glucose.

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Why is the Jack fruit and prickly pear in red?

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Normally the glucose-total carbs ratio is about 50%, but in these fruits this ratio is much higher: 73% and even 100%.
So in generally you can focus on the general carbs contents, regarding the amount of fat rquired, but when consuming Jackfruit or prickly pear you need a little more fat than you might expect on their carb contents.