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| Author | Topic: frozen fish / sushi |
| john 01-28-2003 02:32 PM | After asking anough people in the industry I have become convinced that ALL tuna caught for American consumption is frozen right on the boat (it is paked in ice on the boat). I even think there might be a health reg stating such. I talked to the distributor of fish in my area and he said that all of his fish was frozen--including those to the sushi restaurants. Most sushi restaurants will tell you that it is fresh, regardless. I think that truly fresh, never frozen sushi is only available in large-city, expensive sushi bars. Even if the fish is supposed to be not frozen, on most fishing vessels it is caught and then "refrigerated" packed in ice with all the other fish. This HAS to have some freezing effect. It is not put in a refrigerator that is kept at a constant temperature. That's what I've gathered. Does anyone know about this? |
| benzapp 01-28-2003 07:08 PM | The primary reason you will encounter this is not due to regulations but practicality. The tuna fish is quite large, and most shops don't by them whole outside of major metropolitan areas. The necessitates keep them on ice. I can tell you that if you live near New York, it is quite easy to obtain fresh tuna. In fact, frozen tuna will become quite obvious if you try it. I think that New York is still a primary port for the fishing industry however. I go to this great japanaese fishmarket on stuyvesant st, a small side street off of 3rd ave between 9th street and St. Marks Place. This is right by Cooper Union. Their fish is always fresh and very cheap. Tuna is ~$12/lb, Salmon is $9. This not only fresh, but cleaned and prepared. No waste, just slice and eat. Good fish can be acquired from local fisherman all over the northeast. However, going to a nice chinese fish market in New Haven, I was given partially frozen tuna which was supposed to have been fresh a few months ago. Their salmon was excellent however. So, tuna is a toss up. But you can get it fresh. |
| Wai 01-29-2003 01:46 PM | thank you Ben! |
| john 01-29-2003 06:15 PM | Well, I guess I need to move to the coast. I am in a medium-sized city a couple hours from the coast and the seafood wholesaler that sells to all the seafood shops, sushi bars, and grocers in my city sells all his saltwater fish frozen. One seafood shop told me that they sometimes get fresh tuna from fisherman directly, but not usually. |
| Linny 03-12-2003 01:17 PM | Wai, You have probably touched on this issue in the book however, I have not found it yet! Please tell me why you should not freeze the fish before comsumming? |
| Wai 03-12-2003 01:19 PM | coz frozen fish can cause acne too... |
| freshjive 05-02-2003 04:06 AM | Wai, you say that you cannot eat frozen fish. Then there is a huge problem here!! I stay in Singapore, which is in Asia. The problem here is that there is no real FRESH raw salmon as they are all shipped in from other countries and take weeks to get here. Therefore, they are frozen. It is impossible to get fresh raw salmon here and I can only get salmon from supermarkets.... What do I do? I do not plan on eating raw egg yolks or brazillian nuts. Is eating frozen salmon really THAT bad??? Should I steer clear of it 100%? If so, what do I eat other than egg yolks or nuts? =S |
| Wai 05-02-2003 07:49 AM | quote:well, eating raw egg yolks is the perfect solution for your problem... quote:regarding acne, regarding the sample diet? yes but if your skin is not that susceptible to acne, it may not be a problem at all Why don't you first try to 100% strict sample diet including fresh raw egg yolks, and after you have cleared your skin, you can start experimenting with frozen salmon... quote:in the sample diet you need to consume either raw fish, raw egg yolks, or Brazil nuts (bought in the shell) + vitamin B12 |
| freshjive 05-02-2003 08:00 PM | Is frozen salmon as bad as cooked salmon regarding acne? |
| Wai 05-08-2003 04:48 AM | not nearly as bad, but frozen fish is excluded from the 100% strict sample diet once your skin is 100% clear, you can start experimenting with how much frozen fish your skin can cope with without breaking out again |
| jhonyl 05-15-2003 09:31 AM | How about salted fish? Does its protein change? ( The fish is salted, and you put it in water for one hour to get the salt out, and then you eat it. ) PS. I know that you don't recommend any salt flactuations for acne. But I want to know about the protein of the fish. |
| Pete 05-15-2003 12:40 PM | <<Even if the fish is supposed to be not frozen, on most fishing vessels it is caught and then "refrigerated" packed in ice with all the other fish. This HAS to have some freezing effect. >> Packing fish with ice does not freeze the fish (unless the outside air temp is super cold.) Its got to be a lot colder to freeze fish solid. Pete |
| mliq 05-15-2003 12:52 PM | Yes I believe that packing fish in ice is normal procedure and not damaging to it. My local (inland Florida) sushi place has fish flown in everyday packed in ice, I'm sure if it wasn't packed in ice it would smell very good. That is more like refrigeration than freezing. |
| mliq 05-18-2003 09:55 PM | I mean to say "would not" smell very good. Packing in ice is not freezing. For example, if you put drinks in extremely cold ice and water, it will get very cold but will not freeze. |
| Wai 05-23-2003 08:42 AM | quote:no, but even when thoroughly rinsed, it will always contain more salt than non-salted fish salt-curing does alter protein (originating nitrosamines for example) . |
| Virtuoso 06-06-2003 01:49 AM | Ben, thanks for the tip. I'm heading to NY tuesday and will drop by that japanese fish market. Do you frequently buy fish there to eat raw? Is it sashimi grade fish whatever that means? ![[Smile]](../smile.gif) Hi Wai |
| Wai 06-06-2003 10:32 AM | ![[Cool]](../cool.gif) hi virtuoso!!!!!! still / again on the diet? hows your skin? |
| benzapp 06-07-2003 08:52 PM | Yes, all raw fish there is sashimi grade. I shop there all the time, it is perfectly safe. |
| littledaga 06-13-2003 02:07 PM | I have been consuming Albert Heijn Salmon as I thought it wouldn't be frozen, but after reading all the stuff on frozen fish, I thought I'd ask as I have also just noticed that Wai lives in Holland aswell, so she would know. And maybe she can recomend a place for me to get good raw fish? I Live near the coast, so I'm going to look for some fresh Salmon or Tuna tomorrow. I am stil getting acne and I've basically easily narrowed it down to the fish as the rest of my diet is perfect. Wai plase help as I'm thinking of going to get my hormones tested. |
| RRM 06-13-2003 02:10 PM | Simon, I moved your post to here, because this issue certainly doesn't require a new thread, since this thread is already about frozen fish! Please post your questions in the appropriate thread! Supermarkets such as Albert Heijn always sell previously frozen fish. There are loads of fresh fish shops where you can buy non-frozen salmon; look for "Volendamse Vishandels", and ask them. RRM |