Acne Q & A Archive: Raw fish, raw meat an illusion ?

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etwald 09-27-2002 01:54 PM	Hi Wai, I recently talked to the salesman of the local fish-store. He told me that it's illegal (in the Netherlands) to not freeze the fish during transport. I find that hard to believe.. But at least I was unable to buy anything that wasn't frozen at that store. Is is true that all beef in the Dutch supermarkets has been frozen during transport also. I now understand what you mean with the difficulties of finding raw meat. I really fancy raw beef (highest quality organic "kogelbiefstuk"), which tastes just like roastbeef (rosbief) which I always liked very much.. Tuna, I don't find that good-tasting (almost no taste). Two weeks ago I ate at the Japanese restaurant in Utrecht (which is a good one I think). I ate a sashimi-mix with different kinds of fish (tuna,salmon,mackerel,crab,octopus and some kind of caviar).. The mackerel, crab and octopus were really good and had a good taste. The tuna and salmon are too vanilla I think (they taste like nothing).. Well, it will be egg yolks again today.. I've started to play soccer and I will need enough quality protein to rebuild my condition and muscles (heart muscle also).. I think I did burn some protein/muscle in the beginning of this diet, when I wasn't eating enough fruit.. Latest update: I now feel very well on your diet.. I'm glad I stayed on your diet. I notice that every small protein cheat causes acne, so I will now stick to the diet even more.. I also have some difficulties to find good sweet mandarins and oranges.. Most of them are sour/acid and not sweet.. I really don't like to eat those.. Luckily my parent's grape-vine is still providing enough grapes for now.. Thanks, Ed, The Netherlands
Wai 10-03-2002 07:45 AM	quote: I recently talked to the salesman of the local fish-store. He told me that it's illegal (in the Netherlands) to not freeze the fish during transport. No, they have to put all the fish on ice during transport; at 0 degrees celcius. Freezing starts below that temperature. It is tru for some fish though, like herring, to kill all possible herring worms, but that does not go for fish like salmon and tuna. quote: at least I was unable to buy anything that wasn't frozen at that store. That is true for many stores... quote: ...The mackerel, crab and octopus were really good and had a good taste. The tuna and salmon are too vanilla I think (they taste like nothing)... How different are perceptions! quote: I also have some difficulties to find good sweet mandarins and oranges.. Exactly; that is why I mostly have to add some sugar anyway.
etwald 10-03-2002 11:50 AM	Hi, For the people living in The Netherlands: I found a organic butcher that sells unfrozen meat ! It's "Slagerij de molen" in Utrecht. Their beef is very high quality and tastes very good. Their website is: Slagerij De Molen I hope some of you might find this usefull, Greetings from The Netherlands, Ed
etwald 10-03-2002 11:51 AM	This is their new website: Slagerij De Molen
Wai 10-17-2002 07:13 AM	Unfortunately, raw meat is irradiated before it is sold to you. I think all butchers legally HAVE to do this... (and they are way more strict about this in the Netherlands recently, gradually adepting the more strict US regulations) quote: From this link "The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has made clear at the Home Page of "Center for Food Safety & Applied Natrition" on December 3,1997 that "FDA is amending the Food Additive Regulations" to provide for the safe use of a source of radiation to treat refrigerated or frozen uncooked meat, meat byproducts, and certain meat food products to control foodborne pathogens and extend product shelf-life. This action is in response to a petition filed by Isomedix, Inc. New regulation of 21 CFR Part 179, [Docket No. 94F-0289], "Irradiation in the Production, Processing and Handling of Food" is effective December 3, 1997, of which the full text is available at the Foodborne Illness HomePage of FDA and FDA has been asking to get the written objections and requests for a hearing by January 2, 1998. In the text of this document, the term "meat" will be used to refer collectively to meat, meat byproducts, and applicable meat food products ... The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) permits three types of ionizing radiation to be used on foods: gamma rays (from radioactive isotopes Cobalt-60 and Cesium-137), high-energy electrons, and x rays ... " Unfortunately, they lately are very consequent about this in my country also... What is troubling me, that they, instead of "irradiation, now want to start calling it "cold pasteurization", so that people 'don't get worried' (= don't know what happens to the meat) Irradiation affects the raw protein, causing 'dirty' protein.