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AuthorTopic: how about dried beef?
riverdown
10-09-2002
10:54 PM		Can I eat sun dried beef...like a cut a beef into thin slices and sun dried it for two or more days until dried.....but what is the difference of sun dried to adding heat into it since HEAT is both applied..(with diff source that is)
Wai
10-10-2002
05:33 AM		A while ago, someone emailed me this:
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"Perhaps you might let some of your readers know that besides nuts and dried fruits, dried beef is also ideal to take along when backpacking for example.
When I make jerky, I simply use raw beef with salt and pepper and hang it under netting in the sun for 1-2 days, or sometimes with a cool-air dehydrator.
It is quite tasty, and other dried spices and herbs (like oregano and crushed red chilis) can be used as well."
Regarding acne you can eat sun dried beef, but there is always a risk of ingesting parasites, and the danger of an E. coli infection, of course, so i certainly cannot recommend it...

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but what is the difference of sun dried to adding heat into it since HEAT is both applied..(with diff source that is)
It is the level of heat that counts. The heat involved in sun-drying is very low. (about 40 degrees celcius max) The heat involved in cooking, steaming, baking or grilling meat is much higher; AT LEAST 100 degrees celcius.
At 40 degrees celcius no protein is damaged, while this very clearly happens at 100 degrees celcius.
This make ALL the difference.

Everybody that considers eating raw beef, should also know that raw meat is irradiated or pasteurized before it is delivered to the shops.
If you want to eat raw beef (sun dried, or not), you need to be in control of the whole process from killing the cow...
And, there is always the danger of parasites or an E. coli infection, so i cannot recommend eating raw beef / ox heart.

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From this link
"After the killing process, the sides of beef are pasteurized with steam, then put in a cooler for 48 hours."
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"The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has made clear at the Home Page of "Center for Food Safety & Applied Natrition" on December 3,1997 that "FDA is amending the Food Additive Regulations" to provide for the safe use of a source of radiation to treat refrigerated or frozen uncooked meat, meat byproducts, and certain meat food products to control foodborne pathogens and extend product shelf-life. This action is in response to a petition filed by Isomedix, Inc.
New regulation of 21 CFR Part 179, [Docket No. 94F-0289], "Irradiation in the Production, Processing and Handling of Food" is effective December 3, 1997, of which the full text is available at the Foodborne Illness HomePage of FDA and FDA has been asking to get the written objections and requests for a hearing by January 2, 1998.
In the text of this document, the term "meat" will be used to refer collectively to meat, meat byproducts, and applicable meat food products
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The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) permits three types of ionizing radiation to be used on foods: gamma rays (from radioactive isotopes Cobalt-60 and Cesium-137), high-energy electrons, and x rays
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Unfortunately, they lately are very consequent about this in my country also...

What is troubling me, that they, instead of "irradiation, now want to start calling it "cold pasteurization", so that people 'don't get worried' (= don't know what happens to the meat)

Both pasteurization and irradiation affects the raw protein, causing 'dirty' protein.
siroon
02-21-2003
05:01 AM		Could I dry beef in a dehydrator at 100 degrees F? Would 100 degrees F cause dirty protein? Would it be OK for the sample diet? Would it be OK for a munch food after the sample diet? It's my understanding that beef doesn't have trichinosis like pork, and that there is no E. coli inside good cuts of meat (beef only becomes contaminated with E. coli during slaughter when the dung comes in contact with the meat. Would 100 deg F be safe in regard to parasites and bacteria?

I have cut out nuts because I think they were contributing to breakouts. But now I am dying for protein. Coming from the Atkins diet, it's really hard to not eat substantial protein every night. I know I need to eat at least 5 yolks a day. But what else can I do?

Thanks :-)
Wai
02-21-2003
05:13 AM
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Could I dry beef in a dehydrator at 100 degrees F? Would 100 degrees F cause dirty protein?
no, that is okay; 100 degrees F = about 38 degrees C, which is perfect

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Would it be OK for the sample diet?
no, unless you have witnessed the whole process from slaughter to your plate, you can't be sure it is really raw beef; see my previous post, and this thread...

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Would it be OK for a munch food after the sample diet?
yes, then you can find out exactly how 'processed' it is / how much it affects your skin...

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It's my understanding that beef doesn't have trichinosis like pork, and that there is no E. coli inside good cuts of meat (beef only becomes contaminated with E. coli during slaughter when the dung comes in contact with the meat.
true

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Would 100 deg F be safe in regard to parasites and bacteria?
no, but bacteria are not a problem if your defense system has been trained properly, by consuming fresh raw animal food regularly.

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I have cut out nuts because I think they were contributing to breakouts. But now I am dying for protein.
how about fresh raw egg yolks or fish???

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I know I need to eat at least 5 yolks a day.
so? you can easily add more to your juice(s)...

Again, we do certainly NOT recommend eating raw beef, because of the risk of ingesting parasites / an E. coli infection.