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AuthorTopic: pet diets
Sanna
04-22-2003
08:28 PM
I have a pet bunny rabbit and a dog.
What would be the best foods for them? [Confused]

Do rabbits eat fruits? Or just plants/leaves/hay?
What about those colorful grain mixes (looks like muesli) that are sold in pet stores? Are those heat-treated or bad in some other way?
And I have a salt "stone" and one with calcium or something for the bunny...but they aren't available in nature...so I think maybe I should remove them (?)

Horses are always offered additional salt and other minerals, is this really necessary? And the oat makes me wonder...is it raw? And all those "race" mixes, good or bad? What about carrots? Could horses be fine with hay alone?

My dog is 9 years old. How often should I feed him? I suppose raw meat is the way to go, but what kind?

Obviously I want to offer my pets the best foods, don't want them to get sick.

Please advise [Smile]
kikiecheekee
04-23-2003
05:36 PM
http://www.living-foods.com/articles/rawpetfood.html

http://www.living-foods.com

http://www.touchmoon.com/dotters/raw/index.shtml

http://www.pet-grub.com/preface.pets

http://www.westielovers.com/arf4westies/

See if these web sites help. I hope I posted them right, if not just look up the key word "BARF" or "raw dog food". Personally I think its the best thing, esspecially for dogs.
engesongwok
04-24-2003
12:30 AM
If you had a cat, you could feed it live goldfish or other fish you raised in a tank. Perhaps live mice? When I worked at a hatchery, a dog there would like to catch and eat aging salmon in the stream. This dog would also bury some for later. I have seen videos of wolves running to catch mice, I don't know if dogs will do this. My landlords dog ate a baby chick he was hoping to raise.

The landlord was so mad at the dog. The poor thing looked so guilty. The dog said "Golly, I was just following my bodies instinct!"
Wai
04-25-2003
10:34 AM
Sanna,

Our dog (Niburu) mainly eats raw beef and ox heart, and a bit of raw salmon and chicken

we have 4 cats
they all have different preferences;
Charlie prefers raw salmon, chicken and calf
Sluipie is really into raw beef and chicken hearts
Fraulein prefers tuna, chicken and calf
and Kylian (the smallest) likes to eat only one huge meal of raw beef a day, so that he can be 'on the road' all day (one time he caught and ate a whole pigeon)
Except for Charlie, they all like to catch and eat mice

We have rescued (a starving) Fraulein (she is black from head to toe) from a garbage bin, and she is still very much addicted to 'Chinese food', and there is nothing you can make her more happy with as with some cooked shrimps occasionally

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Do rabbits eat fruits? Or just plants/leaves/hay?
no, and yes (and grass, perhaps with an occasional insect?)

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What about those colorful grain mixes (looks like muesli) that are sold in pet stores? Are those heat-treated
yes

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I have a salt "stone" and one with calcium or something for the bunny...but they aren't available in nature...so I think maybe I should remove them (?)
the bunny doesn't need it

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Horses are always offered additional salt and other minerals, is this really necessary?
i think this stems from the idea that race horses might need the extra salt because of the intense physical activity, but i doubt that horses naturally need it
Salt is addictive though, so they will love it anyway

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And the oat makes me wonder...is it raw?
no
oat doesn't last when it is not treated in some way
so called raw grains are never really raw; just not cooked

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And all those "race" mixes, good or bad?
they are good in the sense that they are more effective regarding digestion (that is why wild horses have such a round belly; lots of fiber to digest)
they are bad in the sense that these are heat-treated

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What about carrots?
perfect

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Could horses be fine with hay alone?
no; they no longer contains all the small insects that grass contains

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My dog is 9 years old. How often should I feed him?
twice a day is perfectly fine

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I suppose raw meat is the way to go, but what kind?
In the beginning he will probably get a too loose stool (especially when feeding chicken or ox heart), if he does, replace some of the raw food by 'dry feedings'
Except for pork, you can feed him almost anything (read about our pets)
Wai
04-25-2003
10:42 AM
Engesongwok,

that's a nice story!
that could have been our dog, he really LOVES salmon!

He quietly slid into the water one time to swim after a waterbird (the fast ones) without making a noise. He caught up with the bird, and bit it to death from behind; the bird never noticed what happened to him...
engesongwok
04-27-2003
05:28 PM
Thanks...Oh, I forgot to add that I have seen dogs also eat snails, slugs...and of course raw poop. I have no idea what things are excellent, good, ok or even bad for a dog to eat. I have a friend who has a dog that likes to eat fresh and hot horse poop. My friend lets him do it, as he really, really enjoys it.

I used to eat cooked egg whites, and I fed the yolk to my dog, who really loved it. Well, he got the benifit anyways. I suspect that cats would like egg yolk as well.
Sanna
05-14-2003
05:13 AM
thank you Wai and engesongwok for the replies! good advice there. [Smile]

Are carrots perfect for both horses and rabbits?

My dog is big, 45 kilos (flatcoated retriever, male)...so if I feed him twice a day with for example raw beef, how much (in grams) do I give in one meal?

Do dogs and cats really need to be vaccinated? What about the medicine against worms and parasites? Necessary?

What does it mean when my dog eats grass outside? Is this normal?
RRM
05-15-2003
11:02 AM
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Are carrots perfect for both horses and rabbits?
Yes.

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My dog is big, 45 kilos (flatcoated retriever, male)...so if I feed him twice a day with for example raw beef, how much (in grams) do I give in one meal?
If you give your dog a little bit too much daily, he will get fat.
If you give your dog a little bit too little daily, he will get skinny.
So, one cannot say exactly how much your dog needs, but his body perfectly knows, and this will also differ by the day.
Luckily, it doesn't matter if you give your dog too much raw beef, because he simply woun't eat all eventually; the same as with humans on a raw food diet.
Our dog is about the same weight, and he gets about 1 kilogram raw beef, half a kilo ox heart and some bone, daily.

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Do dogs and cats really need to be vaccinated?
I personally think that the less vaccinations, the better. Maybe you need to do some checking about dogs in your neighbourhood that have had a contagious disease. If you are not travelling with your dog, the risk of him getting a contagious disease is rather small.

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What about the medicine against worms and parasites? Necessary?
We didn't, and he is perfectly fine, which is no proof though.

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What does it mean when my dog eats grass outside? Is this normal?
Yes, it is normal. Dogs ingest all kind of things, including pieces of wood etc, when they are playing / chewing. The grass functions as a balancing herb, I believe (I might be wrong, though).

RRM
Sanna
05-16-2003
06:26 PM
thanks for the answers RRM!