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| Chris10astra 09-02-2002 03:31 PM | Wai wrote: This thread is taken from the thread that was originally started by chris10Astra, and was titled "Can this diet be vegan?" |
| Wai 09-23-2002 11:01 AM | quote:That is enough regarding the B12, but it totally ruins this diet. It wount work then. |
| rick 10-21-2002 12:47 AM | Wai: "That is enough regarding the B12, but it totally ruins this diet. It wount work then." Wai, you needn't be such a dictator. Be a little kind and flexible with individual cases. I would encourage her to go ahead and try the diet except for continuing the boiled egg. You, yourself, wrote that one should feel free to institute the diet in reverse order, eliminating foods one at a time until acne stops. It takes longer, but it might work for some people, including Carolyn. So Carolyn, I encourage you to continue eating your egg if thats what you want, and then institute as many principles of the diet as possible and see if you can get some results. Good Luck! |
| Scott 10-21-2002 09:10 AM | Rick, I think Wai's concern is that when people aren't strict, they tend to think the diet doesn't work. I've seen people on the boards saying "The diet doesn't work for me" when technically they haven't even tried it! In my brief experience, the secret of success seems to be in the details. When I try to explain the strictness of this diet to my friends and family (who think that I'm insane), I use the metaphor of troubleshooting a computer. When you're having problems with a system, the first thing to do is to create the simplest operating environment possible. This means temporarily shutting down all extensions, programs, etc. that could be contributing to the problem. Then you slowly add one at a time until you isolate the culprit. Wai's firm hand can seem a bit dictatorial, but I think it hails from these concerns.... ![[Big Grin]](../biggrin.gif) |
| Wai 10-21-2002 01:40 PM | WOW! Scott, thank you! ![[Smile]](../smile.gif) Exactly my point, and the computer metaphor is very helpful... Rick, you should not project your personal experiences on other acne patients. Most of us need to be MUCH more strict than you to keep the acne away. I've seen many acne patients fail because they did not start with the 100% strict diet. Then they blame the diet, which keeps others from trying it. There are people out there that did not try my diet for that reason, still suffering from their acne, maybe for nothing... If I were less strict, there would be many more people claiming that the diet doesn't work. For those that cannot maintain the 100% strict diet for 2 or 3 weeks, the acne obviously is not bad enough. (Carolyn, I'm NOT referring to you, or anyone else on this board) |
| rick 10-21-2002 09:24 PM | Wai (and Scott), The point that Scott made in his post and that you "WOW"ed was not the point of my post re Carolyn. Carolyn had written: "I find it absolutely impossible to eat raw egg." You immediately told her that she couldn't eat any boiled egg if she wanted the diet to work. That's simply not true. She can only not eat boiled egg if she wants to PROVE that the diet works. She might have great results while still eating one boiled egg. The fact is she toldyoushe wasn't going to do it. So you might suggest to her that she try to eat raw yolk again, but that if she can't then try the diet with this handicap she's imposed on herself (eating one boiled egg). Wai, its almost like you would rather have her not try aspects of the diet if she won't do it strict. Wai, you suggested in your writing that people CAN try to do the diet in reverse as I described above. But, even if you hadn't suggested it then so what? Are you afraid that as you wrote: "If I were less strict, there would be many more people claiming that the diet doesn't work." You told me: "Rick, you should not project your personal experiences on other acne patients." Really, I thought that's what this board was about. Since you started this board and can ban me (is that why you didn't like "voy" board?) you'd like to control its content? Sounds like problems of the past. [*singing* "Memories....." *smile*] I'm sure no one here knows what the heck I'm talking about. I am going to share with Carolyn what I think about her situation and the diet, and what I think she could try. You don't own the ideas here. You DO have a vast array of knowledge and I am quite impressed at what you have learned and the answers you can give at the drop of a hat. If you have something to contribute to the field (you probably do) then submit a peer-reviewed essay and acquire some credibility. Then you would be able to help even more people....If you start out with an article on food chemicals and addictions that would establish credibility. THEN you could try to break into the harder-shelled world of dermatological sciences. Find an obscure scientific journal and seek to get printed. Once you have one, then you can progress and try to change ideas from the inside. cheers.... |
| Scott 10-21-2002 10:28 PM | Hey Rick, I don't disagree with your fundamental argument at all, and I don't think Wai does either. (Although I won't claim to speak for her.) It's perfectly wonderful if Carolyn wants to eat boiled egg. That's great. My point is simply that she can't claim to be on Wai's Sample Diet while doing so. We need to make a clear distinction between the Sample Diet and Carolyn's *version* of the sample diet. Not the same thing. I think Wai the Dictator, as you hilariously named Wai's domineering side, only emerges when Wai is attempting to defend the defined boundaries of the diet. And she has every right to do so. I don't think she loses sleep over the fact that you consume corn chips and beer. She's probably happy for your good fortune. She would only become 'dictatorial' if you claimed to be following her Sample Diet, which, by definition, you are clearly not. Anyhow, I'm going to gracefully bow out of this thread, because I'm butting in where I don't belong. I just wanted to clarify my point and say that I do understand yours. And by the way, Rick, I love your suggestion for Wai to submit some of her work to a credible, peer-reviewed forum. I hope she will seriously consider the suggestion. |
| Wai 10-22-2002 02:02 PM | Rick, I agree with everything Scott wrote. And yes, I'm very happy for you that you don't need to be so strict, and I have told you that before. The reason why I advised Carolyn not to eat the boiled egg, is because I think that the diet then wount work. If it works for her anyway, perfect! but I simply cannot advise to eat the boiled egg and I cannot allow advices to eat boiled egg on this board. quote:You can email any person that you want. I hope that you are aware that I never indicated / claimed otherwise... I just don't want people to give advices on this board that go against my advices, since this board is there to function as reference for those who want to give the sample diet a try. It is not there to contain opposing advices; it is solely there to guide others who want to give the diet a try, and thus the advices on this board should not be contradicting. I hope you understand. quote:Yes. I'm not pretending that this board is there for acne patients in general, just for those who want to give the diet a fair try. You can share with us what you feel about the diet (negative or positive); that is just adding information about the diet, but you cannot give advices (on this board) to others, that go against mine. quote:Exactly. On boards like the voy forum this concept could never be possible. It would always end up in arguments and will confuse those that want to learn about the diet. I'm not saying that you cannot have a clear skin without my diet (B5 and Accutane helped many), or without doing it according to the 'sample diet rules'. I'm just saying that this board is for the diet only. |
| rick 10-22-2002 10:40 PM | >We need to make a clear distinction between the >Sample Diet and Carolyn's *version* of the >sample diet. Not the same thing. Hey Scott, Glad you could play one more hand The only thing I'm saying to Wai is that Carolyn can still try the diet in reverse order to try and find if it helps. Wai STATES SUCH on her website.....just read below... |
| rick 10-22-2002 11:01 PM | Wai, I still thought you were too quick to dismiss Carolyn regarding eating one cooked egg each day. You wrote: "It totally ruins this diet. It won't work then." This contradicts whatyou said on your website when you stated that it can work to do the diet in reverse order. You just don't like it. You want things the Wai way or the highway. Well, somone like Carolyn might get too frustrated on the strict diet and just quit. Wouldn't you rather have her try the reverse diet and have a chance of success? I think that most people would see results if they followed your diet except for one egg. Or if they eliminated all meat and dairy, but still allowed cooked vegetables and wheat. You may actually find more people willing to try if this option is given with the caveat that it doesn't work as well and you can't prove or disprove the diet principles. I don't think I'll change your mind. You'd rather have a fewer number of foot soldiers who strictly follow what you say. Wai wrote: "but I simply cannot advise to eat the boiled egg and I cannot allow advices to eat boiled egg on this board." Wai, you are being a dictator, like you have been on previous sites. I was merely giving Carolyn a suggestion based on things from YOUR website >You can share with us what you feel about the >diet (negative or positive) That's what I was doing when I suggested that Carolyn try the diet even if she eats eggs. And my comment was even based on what you wrote on your website. How can you get mad at that? Unless you are schizoprhenic, or are actually two different people writing under the Wai name? >that is just adding information about the diet, >but you cannot give advices (on this board) to >others, that go against mine. Is this an information board about an experimental diet or a site giving professional medical advice? I was just expressing an opinion that I thought might help Carolyn. |
| Scott 10-23-2002 10:59 AM | You know, Rick... (I lied. I'm going to butt in one more time!) You seem like a very nice guy, judging by the few interactions that I've had with you. But in some of your posts to Wai, you come across as a tad bit confrontational, almost like you have an axe to grind. I think it's a very positive and important contribution to the board that you challenge Wai and submit her claims to thorough and vigorous scrutiny. But it seems to me that you sometimes walk the fine line between objective criticism and a more personal disparagement. Just a thought. |
| Wai 10-23-2002 02:14 PM | quote:From experience, I know this is not true... For you it is, but for most acne patients it is not... quote:Sure, more will try, and more will fail, and thus they will believe that diet does NOT make a difference... quote:That is not an experience that you share, but ADVICE that goes against mine. You can tell about your personal experiences, but you cannot ADVICE anybody else if that goes against mine. This is not a normal discussion board; this board is there to function as a library of advice for those that want to give the diet a try. And if they want to try it, they need clarity, not confusion. The diet is already difficult enough. quote:I developed the diet based on personal experiences, and that of others. From my experiences, I know that it works best to do the sample diet first. Some people are less susceptible to acne, and can therefore do it less rigidly, but that doesn't work for most of us. Unfortunately, most of us get acne too easily... quote:You are right, I prefer that people succeed in eliminating their acne. quote:The 'sample diet way', yes, because that works best; that is what I've learned these past years. So, yes, I prefer that people try the sample diet when they want to try my diet to eliminate their acne, because I want them to succeed. People make their own choices, and when they chose to try my diet, I will help them where I can, and I will only give them the advices that I think are best. I hope you understand. |
| rick 10-24-2002 01:49 AM | Hey Scott, you think I come across as a tad bit confrontational?; Well, you are going to love my latest post in "Eggs and Fish"!; Check it out ... cult-ish behavior ... harassment of those who disagree ... Wai wrote: This post has been edited. Rick, I'm sorry; I think that you are a nice guy, but you have crossed a line. I don't want to waste any of my time on clearing the board from posts like yours, because I need all the time I have to actually help people, so I have to ban you from the board. Good luck and take care! Wai |
| Frevor 10-24-2002 12:20 PM | It's not http://www.ricksays.com |
| Scott 10-24-2002 09:13 PM | Ah... it seems our beloved dictator has squelched a coup! Fare thee well, Rick. |