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Chris10astra 09-09-2002 10:02 PM	Why are human females the only animal to hemorrage during menstruation? At least, I don't know of any other animal that does that...I've read some information that says it's unnatural; that we bleed and cramp b/c the body is letting go of toxins. In an openminded, truly objective way I really wonder about this. Is it punishment for not reproducing? Why, after going vegan are my periods lighter and less painful? Why do some vegan raw-foodists cease having periods? Why don't other animals have to go through it? It's not something that's on everyone's minds..but it's something I've been thinking about lately. I don't think that nature would design us to feel pain when we're doing the right thing. Is something wrong?
Wai 09-11-2002 12:43 PM	quote: why are human females the only animal to hemorrage during menstruation? At least, I don't know of any other animal that does that... dogs do. quote: that we bleed and cramp b/c the body is letting go of toxins. It is natural, the cramps are to let go the pre-pregnancy placenta. (not toxins) After your ovulation, you are building up a pre-pregnancy placenta, to get ready for a possible pregnancy. Once it certain that you don't have been inpregnated, the body discards the pre-placenta, which is accompanied with cramps and bleeding. quote: Why, after going vegan are my periods lighter and less painful? Because you are not building up a pre-placenta very well anymore, which might make you less fertile (temporarily). This is due to under-nutrition of cholesterol. Yes, the body can also compose cholesterol, but the same goes for vitamins like B2 and B3; we still need dietary cholesterol for optimum functioning. And women need more good cholesterol than men, because you need a lot of cholesterol to compose the pre-placenta; and all that cholesterol gets lost due to the menstruation. quote: Why do some vegan raw-foodists cease having periods? Because your sex-hormones are also made of cholesterol... Having too little cholesterol at your disposal, your body will compose less estrogen / progesterone / testosterone etc. (yes also women contain testosterone) quote: Why don't other animals have to go through it? Because other animals don't stray from their natural diet. We naturally are omnivores, consuming both animal and vegetable food. Through millions of years, we have developed our body based on an omnivore diet, so that we can't really turn ourselves into herbivores. quote: I don't think that nature would design us to feel pain when we're doing the right thing. The pain is natural, just as giving birth is naturally painful, and there is nothing wrong with giving birth. You can lessen these pains though, by consuming lots of good cholesterol daily (from fresh raw egg yolks).
Chris10astra 09-11-2002 05:11 PM	Well I'm convinced either towards either view but it sure is interesting. I'm definately thinking about the eggs (for lots of reasons).
Chris10astra 09-11-2002 05:12 PM	What was I thinking? I meant to say I'm "not convinced either way"...silly me.
Wai 09-12-2002 06:40 AM	One example: Female vegans (no, not raw vegans, indeed) that consume soy products, also often don't menstruate anymore. Soy can eliminate your menstruation because it can easily lower your estrogen levels, while estrogen is essential to menstruate. Soy can do so because it contains a high level of phyto-estrogens. So, one can indeed eliminate menstruation by lowering the estrogen levels. Logically, this can also be achieved by lacking the building block estrogen is composed of. (cholesterol) Soy & Phytoestrogens Phyto-estrogens are 'weak' estrogens, and can replace common (powerful) estrogens. (1) Absorbing phyto-estrogens and lignin’s stimulates SHBG production (Sex-Hormone Binding Globulin), intercepting common estrogens and phyto-estrogens. Soya can contain very high levels of phyto-estrogens (like genisteine and daidzeine, also present in beer) (2). consuming high amounts of soy increases the level of some hormones (DHEA-sulphate) (3) Consuming soymilk for 3 months can already decrease estradiol level 27%, and lengthen menstruation cycle by 2 days. (4) Phyto-estrogens can cause infertility (5) quote: (1) Makela, S.I. et al, Dietary soybean may be antiestrogenic in male mice. Journal of Nutrition 1995 / 125 (3) / 437-445. , Fotsis, T. et al, Genistein, a dietary ingested isoflavonoid ,inhibits cell proliferation and in vitro angiogenesis. J. Nutr. 1995 / 125 (3-suppl.) / 790S-797S. , Karjalainen, J. et al, A bovine albumin peptide as a possible trigger of insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus. N. Engl. J. Med. 1992 / 327 (5) / pag.302-307. (2) Rosenblum, E.R. ,Isolation and identification of phtyestrogens from beer. Alcohol. Clin. Exp. Res. 1992 / 16 (5) / 843-845. (3) Persky, V. et al, Epidemiology of soy and cancer : perspectives and directions. J. Nutr. 1995 / 125 (3suppl.) / 709S-712S. (4) Nagata, C. et al, Effect of soy milk consumption on serum estrogen concentrations in premenopausal Japanese women. J. Natl. Cancer Inst. 1998 / 90 (23) / 1830-1835.. (5) Zimmerli,B. en J.Schlatter, Sojamilch : Gefahr durch Phytohormone ?, Mitteilungen aus dem Gebiete der Lebensmittelhygiene, 1997 / 88 / pag.219-231. , Adams, N.R., Detection of the effects of phytoestrogens on sheep and cattle. J. Anim. Sci. 1995 / 73 (5) / 1509-1515.
tasya 12-18-2002 06:14 PM	I have to agree with Wai. I found that her diet has worked so far for me. I have had light periods for 7 years. I had been a vegetarian for a few years prior to that. Even though I lost weight easily - I went down to 49 kilos I did not feel very healthy and would have cravings for certain foods - probably my body crying out for fat - but I would eat bad fats - some dairy, trans fats- rarely raw olive oil but olive oil used in cooking. Then my weight suddenly ballooned up - alot of stress at this time and my periods went light from being perfect before. Also they went from being every 28 days to 25 days. I mistakenly thought I was not being strict enough with my diet and even went vegan (and fruitarian at one point), eating alot of soy as well, in short doing all the wrong things when all my body needed was clean cholesterol. There is so much misinformation out there: there are numerous sites telling people who suffer from amenorrhea or infertility to take soy and herbs comtaining phyto-estrogens. I consulted numerous O and G's who told me that there was nothing wrong with me and that I would not have to worry about my fertility. My problem improved slightly when I stopped being vegetarian. I have started Wai's diet and have found the last two cycles are more regular in time, 27 days apart and although the menstruation is still light and finishes quickly, 2 days, the first day is slightly more heavy than before. I am sure my main problem was too much stress at that time and not enough clean cholesterol, plus I was having soy.