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karen 08-06-2002 11:53 AM	I understand that dried fruits have to be sun dried, (no heating involved). Is there a way to know if fruits have been exposed to heat? Wai, I also remember from the old Acne Board, that enough fat (if not even more than usual) is to be consumed after dried fruit, as it contains more sugar. I often enjoy dates or figs and I usually just have a sip of olive oil after. Do you think it is enough? By the way everybody in my family thinks I´m crazy, because I do try to stick to my diet 100% It is sometimes difficult always trying to explain My skin is clear though, so I guess that´s worth a lot.
Vanessa 08-06-2002 11:56 AM	Hey Karen, My parents also think I've lost my mind and am probably part of a new cult movement or something so I don't even bother convincing them anymore. Since I used to love my mom's cooking and refuse to eat almost anything she makes now... I guess she takes it more personal. I've stop trying to convince anyone because people just don't understand. They often try to discourage me or discredit Wai's diet because they think they know better but that doesn't bother me. I'm doing this for myself and it works, so too bad for them. I've always been the black sheep anyway so I'm used to it. I can't stand dumb followers. And you should see the expression on people's face at the grocery store, they really think I'm crazy with all these fruits in my cart. "Fruits? But that's not real food!" What? No soft drinks, canned food, meats, cookies, frozen diners, bread, cheese, you know, REAL FOOD??? Yeah right!!!! O.K!! What-e-v-e-r!!! Even the cashier girls think I'm coming from another planet and they give me the nastiest stares because they have to punch in and count each item one by one by hand since there's no code bar on my bananas, tomatoes, apples... And you know what, I kinda get a kick out of it! So you see, it's fun to be unique!
Wai 08-06-2002 12:08 PM	Hi Karen, I copied the dried fruits questions to the 'sample diet' forum, and will answer them there. I also changed the title of this thread, so that it covers the issue discussed here, I hope you don't mind. quote: everybody in my family thinks I´m crazy, because I do try to stick to my diet 100% It is sometimes difficult always trying to explain My skin is clear though, so I guess that´s worth a lot. Every time that I meet new people, I have to explain myself regarding my eating habits. What helps me a lot, is telling them that I suffer from acne if I don't eat this way; that every time that I try to eat 'normal', that I get acne again. So, that I HAVE to chose between eating 'normally' or having a clear skin, and that I simply prefer to have a clear skin. It also helps when I tell them that there are more people like me, doing the same thing.
karen 08-06-2002 07:38 PM	Dear Vanessa, thank´s a lot for your reply; I laught all the way through it! Well it´s certainly motivating to hear I´m not the only crazy one on this planet! By the way, how have your results been concerning acne? Mine has practically cleared up, and as Wai sugested, I am now experimenting a little with food. Yesterday I had this fabulous gourmet sandwhich with focaccia bread filled with baby lettuce, avocado, tomato, thinly sliced cucumber, and of course raw tuna all topped with olive oil a little black pepper and salt. Yummie... And Wai, thank´s for your sugestions concerning how to answer back to people trying to discurage me... Keep in touch Ciao.
Vanessa 08-08-2002 05:30 PM	Hi Karen, I'm so glad my reply made you laugh and gave you some motivation. Well, my skin is doing great. My forehead is taking longer to clear up than the other parts of my face though. I've been on the diet for 2 months now and it just feels sooooo good to know that I am in control of my acne now instead of IT controling my life. I will never put any more chemicals on my skin, that's for sure! I've never understood those women who actually pay up to 50$ for a stupid jar of cream. Also, my cellulite is starting to slowly fade away so that's another blessing for me! I can't wait to see it completely gone!!! That's the day I will get down on my knees and kiss the floor and sing "Go now go, walk out the door, just turn around now 'cause you're not welcome anymore... I will survive, I WILL SURVIVE! Hey! Hey! Don't forget... we're crazy and proud of it, awright? Take care!
lyn 08-09-2002 09:19 PM	Vanessa and Karen, I tried the diet for 8 days and i lost alot of weight which i could not afford to do. I tried to eat alot of everything listed on the sample diet but the weight still came off. I looked anorexic and i'm not exagerating at all, friends were very concerned. I didn't exlain anything to them because i didn't think they would understand. After the first few days the really hard part for me was around dinner time. It was really hard to get myself to keep eating the fruit and salad when i wanted something that would satisfy my hunger like rice or something . Did you experience any of this? ( the weight loss, the dinnertime thing) this is the first time i've ever posted anything.I guess i'm directing my questions toward you two because you seem so faithful with the diet. Thanks! Also,(not to overload you w/ questions)but how long were you on the diet before you started to see results?
justmarvin 08-10-2002 02:03 AM	Although i'm not in total agreement with high fruit consumptions, I have a few suggestions. Are you taking any fats? You NEED fats for this type of diet. I wouldn't go without wai's lettuce salad either. I believe the fiber the lettuce provides is important. What are your objectives for following this type of diet? Do you have acne? Hope things work out, God bless! Marvin
Wai 08-10-2002 11:02 AM	quote: Lyn I tried the diet for 8 days and i lost alot of weight which i could not afford to do. I tried to eat alot of everything listed on the sample diet but the weight still came off. Then you did not eat enough. It is easy to eat too little while on my diet, since it does not contain appetite enhancers (opioid peptides, beta-carbolines). Eating more whole fruits is not easy because they easily fill your stomach without meeting your energy requirements. What does the trick is eating sufficiently fat and as little fiber; fiber is a filler without supplying you with the energy you need. So, you can prevent weightloss by eating sufficient nuts, oil, raw egg yolk/fish and also juices (pressed or extracted) instead of whole juices, with sugar and oil added to your needs. Consuming sufficient energy, you will NOT lose any weight.
lyn 08-10-2002 01:39 PM	Thanks for the responses. Ok, i'm gonna try this diet again. I guess i need to start by going to the grocery for lots of fruit! And to answer justmarvin's question... it is for acne.I'll keep you all posted as to how it's going this time around. I'm glad to be communicating with you all because i think the support can really make a difference. Thanks! Also Wai, i bought a big bag of unshelled brazil nuts and was wondering ...does the nut have to be white or can the edges be barely yellow? I don't want to eat a rancid nut.
justmarvin 08-10-2002 01:49 PM	I wish you the best lyn! Keep us up to date! God bless! Marvin
Wai 08-12-2002 11:56 AM	quote: Lyn wrote ...I guess i need to start by going to the grocery for lots of fruit! Most effective are fruit juices (mad by you, from fresh fruits, of course). Orange juice is easiest to make (and you can add sugar and a bit oil), and you can buy oranges by the box, which is cheaper. I drink liters of OJ every day. A juice extractor would be a great help for other fruits. quote: i bought a big bag of unshelled brazil nuts and was wondering ...does the nut have to be white or can the edges be barely yellow? I don't want to eat a rancid nut. The fresh nut is not really white, but 'ivory-white'. If the nut is rancid, you will really taste it, because then the nut tastes awful. Simply bit off a tiny piece of nut, and you will know. Yellow edges means that the nut is old (and dry), but not necessarily rancid. The nut can be 2 years old and perfectly all right (but dry). The fresh ones taste best.
karen 08-13-2002 01:10 PM	Dear Lyn, Sorry for not answering sooner, but I was away for the weekend. I´ve been on the diet more or less since February, and I too lost a lot of weight in the beginning,and the acne (which was why I was on the diet in the first place)wasn´t fading. I quickly cought up though, because I was eating too little, and of course I was not having enough fat after EVERY time I had fruit.So as soon as I followed the sample diet strictly, (as soon as 5 days later),my skin started to clear up, and the weight regulated on its own. When I started introducing munch foods, I guess I cheated a bit too much, and of course the acne was back! I was shocked! Imagine acne free after so many years of battle, and getting it back!! I thought to myself, of course it was too good to be true! But then after a lot of questions to Wai, and reading the book for the second time, I started the sample diet for the second time, and now I´m already eating munch foods and everything seems ok.My skin is super, and my weight is fine(of course I do walk a lot!) As Marvin said, just keep in mind to always consume enough fat after EVERY time you eat fruit. If you can, don´t ever miss the olive oil, egg yolk and the nuts, or avocado; that really helped me to feel satisfied, and of course I know that I´m not missing any important noutrients. Now, once in a while I even cheat very conciously, and nothing happens, because otherwise I am very, very strict! That is the reason why I once wrote (in this same thread) that everyone in my family thought I was crazy... After reading ways to deal with that, now it doesn´t upset me as much anymore. So you just hang in there, and soon you´ll be telling everyone on this board how good you feel!!! Good luck Karen
lyn 08-13-2002 07:34 PM	Karen, thank you so much for your encouraging reply!! I'm really glad you shared the "weight thing" with me because that was really the reason i didn't make it last time. And that i really didn't see the results i wanted, like you were saying too. My first day will begin tomorrow because i couldn't get my act together to get averything i needed in house.But now i'm all set. I seem to have a hard time finding good avacados. some have been stringy and others don't ripen very well (like one end will stay kinda hard). no big deal i guess but it bothers me a little since they aren't cheap. Has anyone ever had to return avacados? heehee
lyn 08-13-2002 07:41 PM	Wai, where do you get your oranges by the box, a farmers market or something?
Vanessa 08-14-2002 02:14 AM	Hi Lyn, Well, I did experience the same problems you've mentionned. I've lost a lot of weight rapidly, my clothes didn't fit properly anymore, and it got me worried a lot. Like Wai said, juicing is the best solution to not being able to handle too many whole fruits in your system so that's what I did. Just like you, I easily got full from too little fruits since they're generally packed with water and by the time I finished eating a whole avocado, my stomach was just yelling 'ENOUGH!'. Since juicing, I went back to my normal weight with all the right curves and all. Since I was aware there would be a 'hunger' factor in the beginning of the diet due to cutting on all addictive foods from my diet, I was able to handle the crisis well enough but I will admit it was very HARD!!! You'll see that as time goes by, you'll crave them less and less. I guess the diet is mostly about motivation and self-discipline, like how hard do you want your acne gone for good? Is your general health important to you or do you not care because you trust doctors and drugs (I don't)? Don't forget they want us sick because we're not considered as patients in their books but as 'clients'. I was a big meat lover (loved it more than anybody I know) and I sincerely didn't think I'd be able to go without but I had to figure out what my personal priorities were. Seems like everybody gets cancer nowadays... I've never spent a day in a hospital in my whole life (knock on wood!) and don't ever intend to either. As for the results, I didn't really keep a daily journal but I can say that on my first day where I stopped consuming milk and all dairies as well as using chemical products on my face such as creams, lotions, cleansers, scrubs, I did notice an improvement right away. My face used to litterally feel like an active volcano before the diet. My cheeks and chin cleared up faster than the rest of the face so you know, it's just a matter of patience really... It's not perfect yet but compared to what it was, I'd say I'm pretty happy with the result! Hope that helped
Vanessa 08-14-2002 02:36 AM	quote: Since I used to love my mom's cooking and refuse to eat almost anything she makes now... I guess she takes it more personal. Just wanted to give you guys an update on that. My mom used to call me every time she made one of my favorite meals so I could come over to pick it up but now, she calls me whenever she has extra fruits to give me. I even think she buys more just to make sure there's enough to give me... I knew she'd finally understand. Aaaaw! She's SO the best! Rock on mama!
Wai 08-14-2002 12:57 PM	quote: Has anyone ever had to return avacados? All the time. On the average, I return about 50%. I can do so because I ALWAYS (before I buy them) ask the salesman 3 TIMES whether I can bring the avocadoes back if they are not good. I first ask this. Then I check the avocadoes. Then I ask it again. Then I ask whether these avocadoes are really good. And then I ask again whether I can return them if they are not good. quote: Wai, where do you get your oranges by the box, a farmers market or something? Here, in Amsterdam, you can buy oranges by the box in every grocery shop that is run by immigrants (from Morocco, Turkey or Tunisia for example); they are always keen on a good 'volume trade'.
karen 11-26-2002 06:24 PM	I know this is an old thread, but I was just browsing through... Just one sugestion to help ripen avocados: here in Mexico if you can´t find ripe avocados, try wraping them in newspaper (of course outside of the fridge) for a couple of days... they will ripen fine.
RRM 11-27-2002 03:19 PM	thank you Karen There is NOTHING wrong about reviving old threads. they are all here to stay, because, all together, they are a library. THAT is the purpose of this board: to form a library of information about this diet and acne, overweight and cellulite, so that other people can learn by reading it. Thank you for posting yet another piece of information.
engesongwok 03-01-2003 05:20 PM	Thank you all for your posts. Its interesting to read all of your frustrations. Yes, sometimes other people often don't understand, and will do their best to get you to eat some other way. Keep in mind that they think they are doing the right thing. Sometimes they might be motivated to make their own bad habits more comfortable for themselves. Mostly criticisms come from traditional understandings of a 'balanced diet'. From some of your comments, I think a lot of you think this has to be a 100% or Nothing kind of thing. For me its not that way at all. The snack suggestions are a very good thing to look at. Personally, I eat a cup of steamed rice whenever I have cravings for cooked food. Fats...yes, one can get fats from raw food. I don't know where people get the idea that all raw foods are fat free... I have a friend who is recovering from a cold. He and I went for a hike, as his only symptom was a very stuffy nose. As we stopped for a break and a snack, he ate some cheese. I took out a bag of fruit and nuts. I told him that his nose would clear up a bit if he didn't eat cheese for a few days. NOTHING DOING! He wasn't going to give up the cheese, not even for a few days while he had a cold. Even conventional medicince advises to stop eating dairy products while you have cold. Just goes to show you how much people will cling to comfort foods, or the 'basic four' food groups, even when sick... Its kind of frustrating for me, as I wanted my friend to get over his cold faster. Well, I guess the only person I am responsible for is me...