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Author	Topic: protein questions
Lewis 02-25-2003 11:24 AM	Hello Wai. What would be some symptoms of not getting enough protein???? Thanks.
Jean 02-27-2003 03:41 AM	Wieght loss, tiredness, then complications in the long run
Wai 02-27-2003 11:07 AM	the problem is that these are also the syptoms of ie ingesting too little energy You can get to know whether you ingest enough protein (and energy in general) by submitting your diet to the nutrient calculator
Jean 02-27-2003 04:00 PM	It also seems that some people do very well (especially women) on low protein diets while others are experiencing health problems. A simple approach allows to classify people in categories such as slow oxydisers and fast oxydisers. The last one seem to need more protein and fat than the first one. These is a rather clinical approach.
SB 04-27-2003 12:42 PM	My concern is that when i submit my diet to the nutrient calculator it shows that I eat 37 grams of protien a day while the recommendation is 50. Is this a problem? any suggestions how I can increase my protein intake?
SB 04-27-2003 12:44 PM	Hi, After posting my question I was browsing the internet and I found the following quote: "Dr. Ted Morter, Jr. explains in some of his books that the body uses between 20 to 30 grams of protein a day. This equal, in terms of mass, to about 4 to 6 level teaspoons a day. Clinical studies have shown that eating too much protein induces calcium deficiency. This is called Protein-Induced Hypercalciuria. Too much protein also reduces life expectancy, increases various diseases, especially osteoporosis, cancer, irritable bowel syndrome, chronic fatigue, heart disease, hypoglycemia, etc. As far as protein is concerned, the body’s requirement for protein after extreme hard workouts and sleeping is about the same. The body’s requirement is between 20 to 30 grams of protein daily. This is the equivalent of 1 to 2 eggs a day. Any more than that causes electrolyte deficiencies, unnecessary stress upon the digestive system, and protein accumulation in the body that will eventually cause disease. All foods, except oils, contain protein. All the protein we need is easily obtained from fruits and vegetables. The only people who have protein problems are those who have destroyed their digestive system. You want good quality protein, not death, rotting, already used protein from animals. Where do you think gorilla’s, elephants, and cows (all vegetarians) get their protein? Get the facts; read Cleanse & Purify Thyself, Book 1, Conscious Eating, by Cousins MD., Are You Confused? by Paavo Airola, and especially read Diet for a New America, by John Robbins." So I guess anything over 20 grams of protein a day is fine...
RRM 04-27-2003 12:57 PM	Basically, when your diet consists of lots of fruits and some fresh raw animal food (like fish), it is impossible to ingest too little protein. (unless you simply eat too little, which would result in weightloss) For a scientifically backed up explanation, check out this page: http://www.13.waisays.com/protein.htm I don't agree that consuming much protein can cause osteoporosis; scientific data don't support this hypothesis: http://www.4.waisays.com/protein-cons.htm But I do agree that metabolizing protein involves metabolizing ammonium, which is toxic, and therefore potentially can wear out cells faster when consumed in larger amounts (accelerating the aging process). Also, if we cook our food, the most toxic substances are HCA that come from protein: http://www.13.waisays.com/cooking.htm
Auron 05-18-2003 01:59 PM	do you believe it is essentail to have all 22 amino acids so it is usable protein and if you don't it will obtain it from your bones soemthing like a mlecule ring that's what my friend told me today because I don't eat enough meat which needs to be cooked, but I don't eat meat just brazil nuts for protein and raw egg yolks.I don't believe him but what's your opinon on it?
Wai 05-18-2003 02:00 PM	only 8 amino acids are really essential for adults (2 more (tyrosine and cysteine) are made of 2 of the essential ones (phenylalanine and methionine)) and yes, even consuming fruits and Brazil nuts only, you will sufficiently ingest them all. consuming some egg yolks too, you will be absolutely safe for scientifically backed up information, check out this site: http://www.13.waisays.com/protein.htm there is no amino acid that is contained in beef, or any other meat, that is not contained in fruits, Brazil nuts or egg yolks... (ask him what amino acids exactly are lacking in fruits, Brazil nuts and egg yolks)
Auron 05-19-2003 01:40 AM	he doesn't say he just says whatever food source it need to contain all 22 otherwise it will take amino acids from other sources in the body if not manufactured by the body.
RRM 05-22-2003 07:30 AM	In that case, ask him whether, in his opinion, a beef short loin T-bone steak (raw) contains all (18) required amino acids. His answer will be "yes, of course", which is true. Then ask him whether bananas contain the same amino acids. If he says "no", then show him the online USDA nutrient database, where you first submit "beef short loin t-bone steak", and check out the amino acids it contains, and then "bananas" or "oranges" for example (you can also click on the hyperlinks posted below), and check out whether these contain the same amino acids as beef does. T-bone bananas RRM