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| Author | Topic: Taurine / CoQ10 |
| engesongwok 02-02-2003 11:37 PM | Does this website contain any information about Taurine? On another website, it claimed that taurine was 'conditionally essential'. The human body can create some of what is needed, but that dietary sources are very helpful in maintaining health. This website is about cats,but does contain information about taurine content of many foods eaten by humans. http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/taurine_chmr.htm The website states the following: Cow's milk and milk products in general don't contain a lot of taurine, eggs virtually none. Do you have any information about taurine requirements or dietary suggestions for humans. It is present in fish, and taurine is heat sensitive, so eating raw fish should be a good source. I just would like to know how often a person might have to consume raw fish. I love the taste, so its not a problem, but it IS a restriction for me in the way of money. Thanks! |
| Wai 02-04-2003 02:53 PM | quote:they do the same as what so many websites / companies do (maybe they just believed the nonsense proclaimed by such commercial sites): they make people believe that you need to ingest certain 'vitamins' (so that they can sell the 'required' supplements), while in fact, these substances are no vitamins at all. there is no scientific data whatsowever, that supports their claim. Taurine is not listed as an essential amino acid (because the body can sufficiently produce it), just as vitamin Q10 and vitamin O are not vitamins. That is also why it is hard to find out about food-taurine contents; they are not listed in official databases (USDA, Souci et al) |
| Achig 02-06-2003 07:39 PM | Wai: Can you mention more about what you think about CoQ10 ? I read that in serious studies with heart patients, it proves to be dramatically effective at healing the heart (and very much better than conventional heart drugs). I took this as evidence it is beneficial for healthy people to take (or obtain from eating certain fish) also. Achig |
| Wai 02-07-2003 04:03 PM | quote:you don't need it in your food quote:so, this drug proves to be more effective than other drugs, but that doesn't make it healthy to take for a healthy person, and certainly does not make it an essential nutrient... quote:the study was about 'healing heart', as you said it. this study did not investigate the long term health effects of this supplement on healthy individuals... |
| Achig 02-08-2003 08:15 AM | Wai: In reply to: this drug proves to be more effective than other drugs, but that doesn't make it healthy to take for a healthy person, ... CoQ10 is a natural substance found in the body and in significant amounts in some foods (such as some fish, some nuts). The CoQ10 in supplements is biosynthesized by a clean process using bacteria (or like), mostly in Japan (where I think it was developed). I would not think of it as a "drug" even as much as aspirin, because of how CoQ10 occurs naturally. In reply to: This study did not investigate the long term health effects of this supplement on healthy individuals.. True, but it has been taken for decades by millions of people in you home country (I believe) of Japan. So maybe you can tell us best how it effects people who take it for 20 or 30 years. Achig |
| Wai 02-08-2003 04:07 PM | quote:if it can heal the heart of heart patients, it is a drug by its properties, because heart diseases are not caused by a lack of CoQ10, right? i'm NOT saying that drugs are bad perse!!! Heart disease can only be PREVENTED... quote:cigarettes have been smoked for decades by millions of people, but that doesn't mean they are healthy. you need to MEASURE the health effects... quote:i've lived there, but its not my home country ![[Smile]](../smile.gif) (don't even speak Japanese) |
| Achig 02-08-2003 11:32 PM | Wai: Thank you for sharing. Your point that heart disease is prevented, is very true and very appreciated. Time and observation will tell us how beneficial or essential this specific substance ![[Wink]](../wink.gif) , CoQ10, is.Achig |
| Wai 02-09-2003 12:49 AM | i forgot to give you an example of substances naturally occurring in our body, even synthesized by our body, that can act as drugs when administered: Vitamin B5: present in our diet, composed by the body. In acne patients it is taken to eliminate acne, and it often elicits symptoms very similar to those elicited by this very harsh drug called Accutane. The acne is not caused by a lack of vitamin B5 in our diet... The difference between B5 and CoQ10 is that the first one is a vitamin, and the latter is not, meaning that you don't need CoQ10 in your diet, but do need B5 in your diet. |
| Achig 02-10-2003 04:07 AM | Wai: I see your point better now with your B5 vitamin example, and see it is important to not overdose on anything. However, I don't take much more CoQ10 as a supplement than I would get by eating a food rich in it for a meal or two, per day. This is not typical, I agree, and typically people take in many times more of a natural substance than they could ever consume from a food in a day, when they take certain vitamins. So for taking vitamins, if one feels it is helpful, a general rule might be to not take more than you could eat of it in foods. Now I know you would say that even this could be far too much because some foods, like the coconut and its selenium, contain very much of some vitamins or minerals or other substance. But I think it may generally be a good rule and set an upper limit. In any case, your point is well taken. Achig |