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| Author | Topic: Raw dairy ( -milk / -butter / -cheese) |
| etwald 08-28-2002 01:34 PM | What do you think of organic famer's cheese (Gouda and like) sold in The Netherlands. This is made from raw organic milk from pastured cows. I think raw milk isn't all that bad. The Masai drink lots of raw (cultured) milk, but aren't plagued with osteoporosis, so I think raw milk is harmless, while pastuerized or sterilized milk is a poison.. What do you think of that ? |
| Wai 08-28-2002 01:35 PM | quote:All cow's milk by nature is mother's milk meant for the calf. Cow's milk is obtained from the cow, by keeping her pregnant, and taking away the milk that is meant for the calf. Or are you one of those people that belief that cows always give milk by nature? To ensure optimum growth of the calf, the (raw) milk from the cow by nature contains all kind of growth factors and growth hormones, which increase cancer risk when consumed by (adult) humans. (for scientific evidence, see the studies quoted in http://www.6.waisays.com ) quote:Says WHO? There are no studies about the osteoporosis incidence in Masai. There are not even statistics about how old they get. I understand that you want to belief that milk is harmless, but this belief is not based on facts. |
| etwald 08-28-2002 04:08 PM | Hi Wai, I agree.. It's a pitty, because cheese would be a perfect munch-food. How about butter ? Are these same hormones,etc also in butter ? An update: Today I felt really good, better than I have felt for a long time. My stomach doesn't handle acid fruits that well, but today I tried some pears and I can handle those very well. Another practical question: Where do you get your shelled nuts ? Ed |
| Wai 08-29-2002 08:02 AM | quote:Hardly, because the butter is made of the fat of the milk, not the part that contains the opioid peptides and growth factors (which are proteins). Butter contains very little protein; about 0.5%. quote:Really acid fruits are not good for you (lemons), but if you mean oranges; you should only consume well-ripened, sweet oranges. If your stomach cannot handly these very well either, then it probably just takes some time for the digestive enzym secretion to get adapted to this different food intake. quote:From a whole sale retailer. You better call some whole sale retailers (noten en zuidvruchten) in the city where you live (to minimize transport costs), and ask for a 25 kg bag (1 year supply for 1 person) of unshelled Brazil nuts (paranoten). It's almost the season again (autumn), so you still have some time. PS; "shelled" means 'the shell removed'; not 'in the shell'. |
| tres 08-29-2002 12:16 PM | Hi Ed, I also thought that cows give milk naturally . There is a article that I read yesterday about milk, www.eatveg.com/health/milk.htm , do yourself a favour. Let me know what you think. Helanie |
| engesongwok 03-24-2003 07:15 PM | That website is also promoting cooked starches as being healthy and necessary. At the same time saying that a fruit centered diet only gives the illusion of good health. From what I know, potatoes and grain products are the things that produce glucose/insulin spikes and withdraw, not fruit. (in most cases) |
| Auron 04-16-2003 03:11 PM | what do you mean by "and withdraw" |
| Wai 04-18-2003 04:20 PM | i think he means "withdrawal" |
| Auron 04-18-2003 04:24 PM | is regular butter raw? or is that pasteurized or heated during the process of making it? |
| Wai 04-18-2003 04:26 PM | i don't think regular butter is raw yes, there IS raw butter, but dairy products don't need heating to be bad for the skin and your health (please read this thread) i'm sure there is info about the making of butter on the web please post your results here... |