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Vanessa 08-09-2002 08:56 AM	This post, and the following 5 posts are (part of) copies of posts originally posted here Also posts from another thread have been moved to this thread. I`ve been on this diet for about 2 months now but there`s one thing I still can`t understand. In the morning, after eating the fruits and the salad (tomatoes, cucumber, olive oil and lots of lime juice), I get this weird pain in my chest that extends to my shoulders and upper back. It feels like there`s something trying to pull down all my organs away. Although it doesn`t last too long, it`s so damn painful that it does feel like forever. ... Is it just a digestion problem or my body detoxing...?
Wai 08-09-2002 08:58 AM	It is not about detoxification. the pain is a warning signal; that your body is not happy with a specific food. What if you only drink orange juice in the morning, and eat some bananas for example? PLEASE keep us all updated here about how you are doing, okay?
justmarvin 08-09-2002 09:05 AM	...In my oppinion, the effects of detoxification can be a possibility of the cause of your chest pain. It is said when your body cleanses that you will get worse before you get better. This might be breaking the rules a lil, but you can slow down the healing "crisis" by adding something cooked like a baked potatoe or lightly steamed veggies...
Wai 08-09-2002 09:07 AM	quote: In my oppinion, the effects of detoxification can be a possibility of the cause of your chest pain. It is said when your body cleanses that you will get worse before you get better. This might be breaking the rules a lil, but you can slow down the healing "crisis" by adding something cooked like a baked potatoe or lightly steamed veggies. No, please. You need to find the cause of the pain. Raw vegans that don't do well on their diet very often use this excuse of 'detoxification' because they are unable to explain the causes of difficulties and problems they are experiencing.
justmarvin 08-09-2002 09:17 AM	quote: Wai wrote: No, please. You need to find the cause of the pain. Raw vegans that don't do well on their diet very often use this excuse of 'detoxification' because they are unable to explain the causes of difficulties and problems they are experiencing. Yes, that is true. If the cause of the pain was not through detoxification, then you are open to a host of other possibilities... As you body goes into cleansing mode, toxins is being released; depending how toxic your system is, you will feel the effects of the "healing crisis" which is said to be slowed down when adding cooked food such as baked potato or steamed veggies. quote: The excerpt: ...The Road To Better Health may begin with a Healing Crisis As you move toward better health with natural healing programs and better nutrition, healing begins to occur. As part of the healing process the body will begin to discard toxic residues which have built up in your body over the years. The healing process usually does not occur without repercussions. During the initial phase of healing, as your body begins to clean house, (detoxify) and your vital energy begins to repair and rebuild internal organs, you may experience headache, uneasiness, flu like symptoms and fatigue. It is important that you adequately rest during this time. These symptoms will pass as your body begins to normalize to a new level of health. As you continue to improve, you may begin a process called retracing. You may feel worse before you feel better. For example, if you used to get skin rashes, the rashes may reappear or get worse for a period of time as your body eliminates toxins through the skin. You may also experience an initial increase in urination, or you may feel more nervous. In actuality, you are not getting worse, you are actually getting better. Eventually you will reach a plateau of better health. During the healing crisis, it is important to not suppress these temporary symptoms with drugs or the healing process may become interrupted. You can read the rest of this article here
Wai 08-09-2002 09:19 AM	quote: As you body goes into cleansing mode, toxins is being released Your body does not have a 'cleansing mode'. Your body ALWAYS tries to deport / destroy toxins as soon as possible, or do you claim this to be not true? quote: depending how toxic your system is.. If you ingest much toxins all the time (by eating a standard diet), your body will contain much toxins all the time, even that it continuosly deports and destroys toxins, simply because new toxins also continously enter your body. quote: ...you will feel the effects of the "healing crisis" which is said to be slowed down when adding cooked food such as baked potato or steamed veggies Healing is NOT a crisis! Healing does not cause pains. The 'effects of the healing crisis' are nothing more/less than withdrawal symptoms, caused by absorbing less addictive opioid peptides / beta-carbolines. Of course these withdrawal symptoms are lessened by absoring some addictive substances again, just like shooting some heroine eliminates the withdrawal symptoms in a heroine junkie that goes 'cold turkey'.
PhiVan 02-12-2003 02:16 PM	Okay, time for confessions...I've had a major week of partying - drinking binges and junk foods indulgences. I want to get back on the diet but it's giving me a really HARD TIME. I broke down and binged on donuts instead. Please give me some advice on how to get over the detoxing period.
Wai 02-12-2003 02:25 PM	it is not about detoxification, it is about coping with your addiction. Foods containing these toxins are foods containing addictive substances: opioid peptides and beta-carbolines. They keep on 'calling you'. that is exactly why so many overweight people cannot lose weight; the food is constantly 'calling them' to eat more... The same goes for you: you are addicted. Face it, and you know what you need to fight. indulge on fats and cholesterol (from RAW foods; egg yolks, raw fish, avocado, oil); they help you to beat your addiction.
mengyao 02-19-2003 01:14 PM	during a fast, the body will detoxify toxins stored deep within the body (thus making u feel sick). maybe this isnt true, but i read this on an article about fasting.
engesongwok 02-19-2003 01:16 PM	Hello, From what I understand fasting can be a way to help your body expell toxins rapidly, along with old cells and help you generate new cells and heal. ... There is some caution about extended fasting, that you really need supervision if done more than a few days. Limited juice fasting is recommended to more gradually release accumulated toxins. Water fasts can create toxic crisises more easily as our food comes from an environment has more toxins than that of people thousands of years ago. Diabetics, hypoglycemics and people with liver and heart conditions ought to be closely supervised by a physician. Ideally everyone should consult a physican for their first fast.
Wai 02-19-2003 01:39 PM	Yuna, quote: during a fast, the body will detoxify toxins stored deep within the body (thus making u feel sick). maybe this isnt true, but i read this on an article about fasting. some toxins are indeed stored in adipose fat, or in the liver, but the rate of breaking down these toxins is not accelerated when less or no toxins are ingested. The body is CONSTANTLY breaking down ingested toxins. The thing is however, that when you keep on ingesting toxins, it depends on how much are ingested, and on how many are destrroyed / expelled, whether the level of toxins will decrease... The reason why you may feel sick during the initial stage of complete fasting, is because you no longer ingest sedative substances (beta-carbolines and opioid peptides) that numb your body. The previously ingested toxins have a longer lifetime than the sedative effects of the beta-carbolines and opioid peptides last, so that you may feel terrible for a while...
Wai 02-19-2003 01:56 PM	Engesongwok, quote: fasting can be a way to help your body expell toxins rapidly, along with old cells and help you generate new cells and heal. how can not ingesting new toxins help your body to expell the old ones? yes, not ingesting toxins helps your body to heal, because the toxins are no longer bothering you, but you don't need to fast to not-ingest toxins. All you need to do, is yo stop eating foods that contain toxins: all cooked foods and unnatural foods...
engesongwok 02-21-2003 01:44 PM	Let me try to explain things this way. Say you are trying to clean up your house, and you have several children or adults which are constantly adding new sources of mess. If the children and adults go on vacation for a few weeks, they won't be there to create additional mess. It seems to me that clean up will be easier with a brief time period free from the children. Keep in mind that evolution/creation(either view will work in this case)has given animals tools to deal with periods of famine and starvation or periods of lower calorie intake. What do these animals do during this time period? I suspect that this time is NOT wasted simply buring away precious muscle tisse. I suspect this time is used as a period of renewal and inventory of body stores. Just something to think about!
Wai 02-23-2003 03:04 PM	quote: If the children and adults go on vacation for a few weeks, they won't be there to create additional mess. It seems to me that clean up will be easier with a brief time period free from the children. yes, but the ones that make the mess, are the toxins. By consuming a raw natural food diet, there will no additional mess be created (the children and adults are away), so you don't need to fast to accomplish that
Jean 02-27-2003 04:14 PM	Vanessa's problem might be due to biliary colic. Read: A patient with biliary colic usually complains of an ache or a feeling of pressure in the upper abdomen. This pain can occur in the center of the upper abdomen just below the breastbone, or in the upper-right portion of the abdomen near the location of the gallbladder and liver. In some people, the abdominal pain of bilary colic radiates (spreads) backward toward the right shoulder blade. In many cases, nausea and vomiting occur as well. . THIS THREAD CONTAINS MORE THAN ONE PAGE >>>
Jean 02-27-2003 04:16 PM	Because symptoms of biliary colic usually are triggered by the digestive system's demand for bile, they are especially common after fatty meals. They also can occur when a person who has been fasting suddenly breaks their fast and eats a very large meal.
Roy 04-11-2003 12:50 PM	There are many other aspects of detoxification I think your diet would not deal with. How would your diet get rid of all the mucoid plaque? What other toxic things to you think your diet gets rid of?
Wai 04-11-2003 12:56 PM	quote: There are many other aspects of detoxification I think your diet would not deal with. please elaborate quote: How would your diet get rid of all the mucoid plaque? the mucoid plague is broken down by the bacteria and enzymes in your colon it is formed when the functioning of your bowels is inhibited too much by toxins, enzyme inhibitors and sedative substances in cooked and/or unnatural foods by eliminating these foods from your diet, your bowels can resume to normal functioning, and will eliminate the mucoid plague quote: What other toxic things to you think your diet gets rid of? toxins are automatically eliminated from your body eventually (some take quite a while, as those that are incorporated in bodyfat), so, you only need to prevent the intake of new toxins you cannot push your body to accelerate the actual elimination of toxins from your body How would you want to do that?