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| Author | Topic: weightloss without exercise? |
| Moon 02-18-2003 11:46 AM | Hi Wai, I was wondering....I don't eat any munch foods, because I am liking the 100% raw, but I was wondering if you can still lose weight with out emptying your glycogen deposits if you don't eat munch foods? thanks |
| PhiVan 02-18-2003 03:01 PM | Hey Moon What is up with people wanting to empty their glycogen? Atkins promote the same thing. But from my experience, when you empty your glycogen storage, you will only lose water weight. Emptying your glycogen means that you are exhausted and needs more foods. My experience is to focus on how foods make you feel: tired? Energetic? alive? and then choose foods that support you and your daily life. Wholesome foods is the way to go for me. But really we need to get out of the 'weightloss mentality' and think about eating to live also, not just to lose weight... hope i didn't say anything offending ![[Smile]](../smile.gif) My intentions are all for the better. |
| benzapp 02-18-2003 08:18 PM | quote:Not at all. Insulin first stores sugar as glycogen in your liver and muscles. Only when glycogen levels are "full" is excess glucose stored as body fat. The primary reason amphetamine and adrenaline make you high is both initiate the conversion of stored glycogen into glucose. This is also why amphetamine makes such a great weight loss agent. Not only does it lessen your appetite, but it inhibits glycogen storage. This is in addition to raising your metabolic rate and body temperature. Also "emptying" your glycogen stores is probably bad, but I imagine only pure starvation will result in that. I remember reading an interesting article about the insulin/adrenaline axis, wish I knew where it was. Some advocate returning to amphetamine for treating asthma because it is longer lasting, less intense, and can prevent insulin resistance and obesity. There is a high correlation between asthma, obesity, and diabetes. Of course, I am sure Wai would suggest opioid peptides are to blame. She is probably right. |
| Wai 02-19-2003 02:41 PM | Moon,quote:yes, certainly. On a raw (natural) foods diet, your body will end up at your natural setpoint weight anyway. If you don't think about 'emptying' your glycogen depots, it will just happen a bit slower. |
| Wai 02-19-2003 02:46 PM | PhiVan,quote:How do you make this connection in theory? As Ben Zapp explained, 'emptying glycogen stores regularly, prevents the storage of new fat, which is the key to losing overweight fast. quote:if they become empty and stay that way, yes. That is why I advice to replensih them immediately again. The point is that the replenishing makes you feel energetic, without having some of that energy be converted into bodyfat, because the glycogen depots are not full. quote:of course it just happens to be that some people are so overweight that they feel the very stronge urge to lose overweight fast, which you can safely do by emptying (AND replenishing) your glycogen depots on a daily basis |
| Wai 02-19-2003 02:54 PM | Ben Zapp,quote:1) Asthma is caused by the oppression of lung functioning 2) Obesity is caused by overstimulating appetite 3) Diabetes is caused by the repeated stimulation of insulin secretion by the same molecules Opioid peptides (indeed) and beta-carbolines have the properties to do the first 2, and, when appetite is overstimulated, the glycogen depots will be full almost constantly, which makes the storage (dis-arming) of insulin secretion triggering molecules (in adipose fat, or glycogen) much harder, which may result in 3) |