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AuthorTopic: nondairy creamer ok?
monica
10-29-2002
11:36 PM		although it does not contain any protein or fat (although hydrogenated oil is listed in the ingredients??), it does include a long list of strange chemicals (including aluminum which i have heard is pretty horrible)....but I figured it was better than half & half when real cream is not available....would it be considered a munch food even in very small amounts (1-2 tsp)? would pasturized cream be a better choice?
Wai
10-30-2002
02:11 PM
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although it does not contain any protein or fat (although hydrogenated oil is listed in the ingredients??)
If it contains oil, it contains fat...
Hydrogenated oil is bad; it will contain trans fatty acids.

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it does include a long list of strange chemicals (including aluminum which i have heard is pretty horrible)
Aluminium is also a natural occuring metal in foods. But such an artifical creamer doesn't sound like a good idea to me...

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would it be considered a munch food even in very small amounts (1-2 tsp)?
naaa, that's negligible.

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would pasturized cream be a better choice?
Yes, I think so...
bwarijolivette
12-02-2002
09:14 AM		I have noticed that with non-dairy creamers, my face has broken out, it certainly seems like it can be a trigger food. Most of them hare highly processed/refined and contain corn syrup or some type of refined soy product.

Here are a couple of sites on corn syrup/soy which may be of interest to you. Before I researched it, on the net, I was not aware of the negative implications of using non-dairy creamers.

www.food.orst.edu/sugar/corn.html

www.comm.cornell.edu/gmo/crops/ingredients.html

Have a good day:)
RRM
12-04-2002
01:22 PM		Thank you chachapanpan,
Yes, the non-dairy creamers can certainly make you break out, and yes, instead of milk protein, they often use soy protein, and soy is always intensively processed AND contains harmful phytoestrogens.

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From this page
"consuming high amounts of soy increases the level of some hormones (DHEA-sulphate) (27) Consuming soymilk for 3 months can already decrease estradiol level 27%, and lengthen menstruation cycle by 2 days. (28) Messing with your hormones is of course not a good thing. Estrogen for example is not a 'bad' substance, but essential. Therefore phyto-estrogens can cause infertility (29) and liver-diseases. (30)

The main phyto-estrogen, genisteine, is even mutagenic !!! (31) Like coumestrol (also a phyto-estrogen), genisteine can damage DNA of common cells in our body (31), which can cause cancer. Like daidzeine (also a soy-phyto-estrogen), genisteine damages sperm cells. (32) And different phyto-estrogens, like genisteine, enhance prolactin-producing brain-tumors." (33)

(27) Persky, V. et al, Epidemiology of soy and cancer : perspectives and directions. J. Nutr. 1995 / 125 (3suppl.) / 709S-712S.

(28) Nagata, C. et al, Effect of soy milk consumption on serum estrogen concentrations in premenopausal Japanese women. J. Natl. Cancer Inst. 1998 / 90 (23) / 1830-1835..

(29) Zimmerli,B. en J.Schlatter, Sojamilch : Gefahr durch Phytohormone ?, Mitteilungen aus dem Gebiete der Lebensmittelhygiene, 1997 / 88 / pag.219-231. , Adams, N.R., Detection of the effects of phytoestrogens on sheep and cattle. J. Anim. Sci. 1995 / 73 (5) / 1509-1515.

(30) Setchell, K.D. et al, Dietary estrogens - - a probable cause of infertility and liver disease in captive cheetahs. Gastroendocrinology 1987 / 93 (2) / 225-233.

(31) Morris, S.M. et al, p53, mutations, and apoptosis in genistein-exposed human lymphoblastoid cells. Mutat. Res. 1998 / 405 (1) / 41-56. , Kulling, S.E. et al, Induction of micronuclei, DNA strand breaks and HPRT mutations in cultured Chinese hamster V79 cells by the phytoestrogen coumestrol. Food Chem. Toxicol. 1997 / 35 (6) / 605-613.

(32) Anderson, D. et al, Effect of various genotoxins and reproductive toxins in human lyphocytes and sperm in the Comet assay. Terat. Carcinog. Mutagen. 1997 / 17 (1) / 29-43.

(33) Stahl, S. et al, Phytoestrogens act as estrogen agonists in an estrogen-responsive pituitary cell line. Toxicol. Appl. Pharmacol. 1998 / 152 (1) / 41-48.