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karen 09-17-2002 09:40 PM	Dear Wai, still don´t quite get the hang of it... I seem to be gaining weight! I thought I was following the rules of the diet very strictly. So even eating too many fruits can make you gain weight? I thought one couldn´t overeat on fruits. Or might I be overdoing munch foods? The acne has been gone for quite some time, but now I´m not as slim as I used to be. What´s up?
monica 09-17-2002 10:23 PM	What exactly are you eating each day?
Sanna 09-18-2002 03:26 AM	that's what I've been wondering... can I eat as much fruits and nuts as I want and never gain weight? even if I eat when I'm not hungry but just feel like eating? you know, it's so easy to keep on eating and eating... if I don't eat any munch food but LOTS of fruits, oil and nuts, can I put on weight? what do you mean one can't overeat on fruits? I can, easily.
monica 09-18-2002 08:33 AM	Of course Wai will give you a much better answer than i ever could, but YES, YES, YES you CAN over eat on fruit, oil and nuts, just as you can on every other food!! If your glycogen stores in your body are filled, any excess calories (fruit, nuts, munch foods, whatever you eat!) will be stored as body fat. From what I understand, if your goal is to lose weight, DO NOT EAT MORE THAN YOUR BODY PHYSICALLY NEEDS. Don't wait until your absolutely starving to eat something (this means that both you glycogen and blood sugar levels are extremely low). Eat when your body needs energy (and not when you are bored or stressed and feel like eating ) If you have a hard time distinguishing when your body needs food, take the quote: . If you really feel like fruit(physically crave it), you probably should eat! Hope that helps, at least untill Wai gets to you!
monica 09-18-2002 08:34 AM	oops, i screwed up on the quote insert what i was trying to say was take the "fruit test"
karen 09-18-2002 11:39 AM	Hi everyone, As it seems I´ve been on this diet for months now, and my acne is gone which is why I originally bought the book.I´ve never had any trouble with my weight, on the contrary. But I didn´t know I could overeat on fruits!!! That´s why now I´m gaining weight...whow! I´m not overweight or anything, but now there is a little more fat on my belly, and around the waist. Usually in the morning I have a big plate of mixed fruit, let´s say:melon, watermelon and maybe mango or pineapple (sometimes same thing as a juice instead) after that, maybe a teaspoon of olive oil, and one or two bites of avocado. During the mid morning a glass of orange juice or a piece of fruit (let´s say an apple or a peach) after that a slice of dark bread (2.85 g dirty protein) with some avocado. Or 1-2 egg yolks At lunch a medium sized plate with any other fruit, after that a small sized plate of cherry tomatoes with O.O. and 50gr. raw tuna (2-3 times a week) During the afternoon I get the cravings, and that is usually when I have all the munchies. Or I save the munchies for the evening, and have dried fruit and nuts instead. In the evening when I have had my munchies during the afternoon, I just have one more piece of fruit and after that either some O.O. or avocado. That is usually how I do it, and until now it has worked well for the acne, but as for the gaining weight, I might be overdoing it with the avocado, or maybe munch foods, I guess I do eat out of boredom or out of other reasons a lot, and I thought that if I ate fruit nothing would happen!! Was that a mistake??? What do you think Wai? I´d love to hear your comments. Ciao Karen
Wai 09-18-2002 01:06 PM	You cannot overeat on raw foods, so, when you do gain weight, it is not because of the raw food you eat, but because of the munch foods you eat. quote: Karen wrote: Or might I be overdoing munch foods? YES. It is the only right answer. Everybody is different, and everybody can handle a different amount of (or non at all) munch foods. So, it that regard, the diet is not good, because it advices a certain amount of munch food, while some can eat more munch foods than others. In your case, you need to eat less munch food; as simple as that. quote: Sanna wrote: can I eat as much fruits and nuts as I want and never gain weight? Yes, if your diet is 100% strict, this is always true. If your diet is not 100% raw, then it is individually different how much munch food you can eat. But gain, you certainly should not limit your intake of fruits and nuts. The only thing that you are allowed to limit, is the intake of munch food. quote: ...even if I eat when I'm not hungry but just feel like eating? ...just feel like eating?... that may be due to decreasing blood sugar levels, anbd then it is perfectly okay. But if it is caused by the flavor of cooked foods, then it is not okay. quote: Sanna wrote: what do you mean one can't overeat on fruits? I can, easily Overeating is eating more than you need. How do you know that you eat more fruits than you need? You cannot overeat on fruits etc., unless caused by COOKED foods. You only need to listen to your body, and eating raw foods only, your body always tells the truth. Eating too much cooked foods, you may overeat on anything, including raw foods. quote: Karen wrote: ...but as for the gaining weight, I might be overdoing it with the avocado, or maybe munch foods, I guess I do eat out of boredom or out of other reasons a lot, and I thought that if I ate fruit nothing would happen!! Was that a mistake??? You should never blame it on the avocado, or other fruits; they can never make you overeat. Eating fruits 'nothing happens' indeed! All munch foods can make you overeat. Obviously, munch foods easily make you overeat. To decrease their influence, you should decrease their intake, and NOT the intake of fat / fruits/ avocado; make sure to eat enough fat.
karen 09-18-2002 05:44 PM	So eating fruit and fats just out of plain boredom can not make you gain weight?If no or hardly no munch foods are included? Let´s say I hardly have any cooked foods, could I eat as much fruit as I want even if I´m not hungry? Or do I always have to have a low blood sugar level and empty glyc. deposits to be able to eat fruits? Thank´s
monica 09-18-2002 09:35 PM	did i have it wrong wai?? I thought you could over eat on anything if you have already filled your glycogen stores. From what you just wrote, it seems as though you it is physcially impossible to over eat on anything but munch foods. So i have the same question as Karen, just to make sure i am clear: can we overeat on as much fruit raw/raw fats as we want even if we are physically not hungry??
Wai 09-19-2002 03:18 AM	quote: Karen wrote: So eating fruit and fats just out of plain boredom can not make you gain weight? If no or hardly no munch foods are included? Only the munch foods can make you overeat on fruits and fats, not boredom. If boredom makes you eat fruits, your body will respond properly by decreasing your appetite; meaning that you will not feel like keeping on eating. So, you really cannot overeat on raw foods if you don't eat munch foods. But, if the appetite-stimulating influence of munch foods is too strong, yes, then you can overeat on anything. When your diet is 100% raw, not even boredom can make you gain weight. But munch foods can, so, losing weight is all about sufficiently lowering the intake of munch foods. If you don't lose overweight, you need to consume less mucnh food. quote: Let´s say I hardly have any cooked foods, could I eat as much fruit as I want even if I´m not hungry? How much is hardly? That individually differs. How much munch food you can eat, is individually different. So, if the amount of munch food is for YOU still too high, then you can overeat on anything. But you cannot overeat on raw food alone. (that is; If sufficient fats, sugars and other nutrients are consumed) quote: Or do I always have to have a low blood sugar level and empty glyc. deposits to be able to eat fruits? No, a low blood sugar level needs to be prevented at all times. Low glycogen deposists are only necessary when eating munch foods. (ie you can experience a dip in the blood sugar level, due to a short physical activity, while your glycogen depots are not empty at all; then it is okay to replenish your blood sugar level by eating fruit)
Wai 09-19-2002 03:26 AM	quote: Shyan wrote: did i have it wrong wai?? I thought you could over eat on anything if you have already filled your glycogen stores. Yes, if both your blood- glucose level is 'full' and your glycogen depots are filled, then ANY extra energy will make you gain body fat. BUT; only the influence of munch foods can make you eat in such a situation... The key to losing overweight is in sufficiently decreasing the appetite stimulating influence of munch foods. Never worry about the intake of fruits etc., focus on the munch foods. quote: From what you just wrote, it seems as though you it is physcially impossible to over eat on anything but munch foods Munch foods are the only cause, yes. (besides malnutrition, but that is a very different issue) quote: can we overeat on as much fruit raw/raw fats as we want even if we are physically not hungry?? That depends on the influence of the munch foods that you eat. If that influence is too strong, you may overeat on anything. You weight will tell you: If you are not losing overweight, you need to decrease the intake of munch foods. On a 100% raw diet, you can never overeat on fruits etc. (unless you are missing out on a certain nutrient)
monica 09-19-2002 08:02 AM	understood. thank you wai.
karen 09-19-2002 10:32 AM	The reason why I was so persistent on this subject, is because I used to have an eating disorder (bulimia), which I pretty got over many years ago. It is said, that similarly to alcohlics, a person with an eating disorder will always remain one even if the problem is under control. Nevertheless, I still love to nibble on food without really feeling hungry, so fruit seems like an excelent choice. ...A penny for your thoughts Ciao Karen
Wai 09-19-2002 01:16 PM	quote: The reason why I was so persistent on this subject, is because I used to have an eating disorder (bulimia) Ah!!! That explains; that you are very susceptible to the appetite stimulating influence of beta-carbolines. Your benzodiazepine receptors (the neurotransmitter receptors that are activated by beta-carbolines) must be very sensitive. quote: It is said, that similarly to alcohlics, a person with an eating disorder will always remain one even if the problem is under control. Yes, your benzodiazepine receptors will always remain this sensitive to cooked foods; the flavour of cooked foods will remain to strongly affect you. quote: Nevertheless, I still love to nibble on food without really feeling hungry, so fruit seems like an excelent choice. ...A penny for your thoughts It is. The way to control these powerful cravings is by adequately minimizing the intake of beta-carbolines. That is very hard for you, just as it is nearly impossible for any alcoholic to drink just a little. Maybe eating no munch foods at all is even easier?
karen 09-19-2002 06:57 PM	Thought so. I´ll try... Just curious, are benzodiacepine receptors involved in depresion or mood swings?(or does it just sound similar to a substance that they say you lack or overproduce...hope this doesn´t sound stupid) So is it possible that all bulimics are adicted to betacarbolines? That would be interesting to know, because allthough I hardly ever "binge" anymore, when I do have cooked foods, I can´t seem to stop. And with fruit this never happens!! Had I only known years ago... see you soon bye Karen THIS THREAD CONTAINS MORE THAN ONE PAGE > > >
Wai 09-20-2002 07:43 AM	quote: Karen wrote: are benzodiacepine receptors involved in depresion or mood swings? Indirectly, yes; these receptors strongly influence the metabolism of serotonin (see sources), which is the main neurotransmitter in regulating your mood (and co-regulates your weight, see chapter 58). quote: Sources: Lista, A. et al, The benzodiazepine inverse agonist DMCM decreases serotonergic transmission in rat hippocampus : an in vivo electrophysiological study. Synapse 1990 / 6 (2) / 175-180. , Lista, A. et al, Benzodiazepine receptors modulate serotonine neurotransmission in the rat hippocampus : in vivo electrophysiological evidence. J. Pharmacol. Exp. Ther. 1990 / 254 (1) / 318-323. , Pawlik, M. et al, Quantitative autoradiograph of (3H)norharman ((3H)beta-carboline) binding sites in the rat brain. J. Chem. Neuroanal. 1990 / 3 (1) / 19-24. , Pei, Q. et al, Both systemic and local administration of benzodiazepine agonists inhibit the in vivo release of 5-HT from ventral hippocampus. Neuropharmacology 1989 / 28 (10) / 1061-1066. , Lista, A. et al, Modulation of the electrically evoked release of 5-(3H)hydroxytryptamine from rat cerebral cortex : effects of alpidem, CL218,872, and diazepam. J. Neurochem. 1988 / 51 (5) / 1414-1421. , Rovescalli, A.C. et al, Endocrine effects of 5-methoxytryptoline, 5-hydrotryptoline and tryptoline, putative modulators of rat serotonergic system. J. Endocrinol. Invest. 1987 / 10 (1) / 65-72. , Forchetti, C.M. et al, Evidence for a tonic GABAergic control of serotonin neurons in the median raphe nucleus. Brain. Res. 1981 / 206 (1) / 208-212. quote: Karen wrote: hope this doesn´t sound stupid A question is never stupid, unless you know the answer yourself already. quote: Karen wrote: is it possible that all bulimics are adicted to betacarbolines? ... allthough I hardly ever "binge" anymore, when I do have cooked foods, I can´t seem to stop. And with fruit this never happens!! There is no bulimic that binges on fruits, so the answer is: yes. Bulimia is caused when you don't want to overeat but your addicted body forces you to; you may win a few hours a day, or even a few days, but eventually your addiction overpowers you for a short or longer period of time. After the binge, most bulimics see only one solution: throwing up to undo the overeating.
Sanna 10-09-2002 03:47 AM	I don't get it. If I don't eat ANY munch food, you say I can't become overweight? But what if I love fruit so much that I can eat 10 bananas even when I'm not hungry? Will I not put on weight? Or what about olive oil, if I feel fine with consuming half a liter of olive oil...there will be lots of excess energy from the fats...aren't they stored in my fat cells? If I just love eating a lot of fruit even when not hungry at all.... You always say it's hard to gain weight on this diet... Oh and the sugar, how can you add sugar to the sugary orange juice? Why not just consume more juice? Or is it more practical for you to do this? But the calories from the sugar are empty calories...doesn't this matter? Shouldn'twe only eat regarding to the need for energy to avoid unwanted weight gain?
Wai 10-10-2002 07:42 AM	quote: I don't get it. If I don't eat ANY munch food, you say I can't become overweight? Yes, but this only goes for those that are on the 100% strict 'sample diet'; no munch foods at all. Even only occasionally consuming some munch foods, can already mess this up; If there never is a lack of the proper foods, by nature, your appetite is regulated according to your need for energy (by neurotrasnmitters and hormones); so, when you don't need the energy, you simply wount feel like eating. Consuming raw foods ONLY, but ingesting all essential nutrients, you cannot gain weight indeed (unless you force yourself to, regardless of your appetite) quote: But what if I love fruit so much that I can eat 10 bananas even when I'm not hungry? If you never ingest appetite enhancers, and if your body does not need the energy, eating more bananas feels like 'eating cotton'. quote: what about olive oil, if I feel fine with consuming half a liter of olive oil...there will be lots of excess energy from the fats...aren't they stored in my fat cells? If you don't need the eenrgy, you will not feel like consuming all that olive oil. when ingesting no munch foods at all, all you need to do is to listen to your appetite. quote: how can you add sugar to the sugary orange juice? Why not just consume more juice? Or is it more practical for you to do this? By boyfriend needs it to ingest sufficient energy. Depending on how sweet the juice is, I like to add sugar for the taste. quote: But the calories from the sugar are empty calories...doesn't this matter? In nature, not always perfectly ripened fruits were available for us all the time, and we still survived. So, when we DO have sufficient fruits available all year, we ABUNDANTLY absorb all required nutrients, and then consuming empty calories has no adverse effects. quote: Shouldn'twe only eat regarding to the need for energy to avoid unwanted weight gain? Yes, and that is exactly what the body does, by nature, if we never have to keep 'periods of food shortages in mind', and if our appetite is never impaired by beta-carbolines and / or opioid peptides.