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AuthorTopic: skincare ingredients & skin health
Sanna
08-28-2002
05:47 AM
isn't it better not to wear foundation to allow skin to breathe and restore itself properly?
and all those chemicals can't be doing any good to the skin...
maybe in very polluted cities the layer of make up can stop dirt from reaching the skin...but if the air is relatively clean..?
does skin stay younger looking for longer if we don't put all those chemicals on it? just bottled water and some walnut oil to prevent dehydration...
And why cover up the perfect skin I got from following your diet (forever grateful for that)
What do you think Wai?
Wai
08-29-2002
12:01 PM
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isn't it better not to wear foundation to allow skin to breathe and restore itself properly?
Well, the foundation actually protects your skin against pollution in the air and against dehydration.
When you remove the foundation at the end of the day, you see how much dirt it caught. And that dirt, containing aggressive chemicals, didn't get in direct contact with your skin, because of the foundation.
And normally, if your skin is not covered with a thin layer of oil, your skin will dehydrate. The foundation protects your skin against dehydration.

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and all those chemicals can't be doing any good to the skin...
High quality make up hardly contains any bad chemicals, while it keeps bad chemicals in the air from touching your face.

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but if the air is relatively clean..?
Okay, if the air is clean, and if you don't expose your skin to direct sunlight, you don't need the foundation, and then you better use some oil only.

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does skin stay younger looking for longer if we don't put all those chemicals on it? just bottled water and some walnut oil to prevent dehydration...
Yes, if there is no pollution in the air, and no direct sunlight exposure, then the oil is better.
karen
09-05-2002
11:12 PM
Dear Wai,
hope this thread is still active as it was not written recently.
Concerning make-up, I also have another doubt:
My skin is pretty much under control, as Iīve been on the diet for about 5 months now.But you can never know enough, can you?
When ever I use make-up, after a while my skin looks oily, and the make-up fades...doesnīt look fresh.No more pimples, but just this extremely greasy look and feel.Iīd hate to aply powder on that "caky" stuff.
What kind of make-up should one look for (oil free, water based, every skin type...)
Iīve been using one by Chanel in a stick, and too bad, but after a while it looks as if it were not even there.
cheers
Karen
Nala
09-06-2002
11:13 AM
quote:
i've been using one by Chanel in a stick, and too bad, but after a while it looks as if it were not even there
Hi Karen,
which one's the the one in a stick? I use the "double perfection fluide SPF 15" by Chanel. That ones okay too but kinda thick..
Just wondering, cuz i'm trying to find a good foundation that doesn't clog pores but covers well. Good luck to you!!
Nala
Sanna
09-07-2002
12:15 PM
ok...
thank you Wai for the reply.

Could you please name a few good quality foundations? What do you use?

I don't want to buy something and find out later that it isn't good to my skin (as good brands are quite expensive)
i have been checking labels and they all contain so many very bad chemicals...tried to look for the least bad but it's hard to tell...
and are SPF factors good or bad btw?
Wai
09-09-2002
12:09 PM
quote:
Karen wrote:
What kind of make-up should one look for (oil free, water based, every skin type...)

When looking for the right make-up, you should consider a few things; do you have open pores or closed pores-is? Is the make up for inside, or do you also need to wear it in humid place; where lots of people are and not enough oxygen. Is it summer or winter where you live? What's your age? do you work inside with airconditioning, or outside?
But: not one still looks nice after a short while, if you don't apply some powder. The powder you should use, should be a ‘natural finishing loose powder’ like Chanel has the best; its very light and is only meant to fixate your make-up. The powder should be applied after you have put on your make-up. Use a big powder brush: dap it softly on your skin; you need just a little bit. Never over-do with powder, because that will make your skin look wrinkly, because the powder will suck up all the grease; the combination of 'sweat' (you cannot prevent this)and oil that your skin always produces.
Since your skin is a thin layer of leather that is always in motion with every slightest activity of your face muscles, you will cause that cake to wrinkle anyway.
Not one make-up looks nice if there is not a light fixating powder on top. The perfect make-up (the one you don't see), is applied very lightly and has a light fixating powder over it.

Now when you buy make-up, all the above should be considered.
Whhen it comes to make-up from Chanel; its not a make-up for a healthy skin: If your pores are closed and healthy, meaning: if you don't use chemical peels, didn't have plastic surgery, and you are still under 45 years old, then you should not use Chanel. Especially not the stick; this is make-up for those who visit beauty clinics and have facials (a soft peel-off of the outer skin). When you take treatments like that, your pores are open and because of this your skin ‘sucks up’ the make-up and then the stick is perfect.
So, the stick is not a make-up you should use.

If your skin is healthy, you should never use thick make-up and the stick is just that; thick. That is why your skin gets greasy; because your pores are closed. Just as your skin produces more oil to prevent dehydration, your skin will also produce more oil to get rid of 'a cake' that clogs your pores.
Chanel, especially the Chanel of today, is for old people. It is not the same quality as it used to be. Personally, I do not use it anymore. Only when I was a model doing shows did I use Chanel.
The powder from Chanel is very good; light and soft, but when it comes to the make-up; its heavy and thick, its 'old plastic surgery skin make-up'.

Very important
It is also essential what day cream you use under your make-up, because the stick is very concentrated, and if you have a cream under it that is meant for dry skin for example, then your make-up will 'slide off your face'. It might be that the greasy caky effect you see, is because you use the wrong day-cream and don't use a powder. Not one make-up looks good with the wrong day cream underneath.

So, what is the cream that you use under it? Special day cream for extra sensitive skin "with extra protection for dry skin"?
If so, stop using it under your make-up, because it makes any make-up look greasy after a short while.
Remember that make-up from expensive brands have protective day-cream and a mild sunblock in it as well, so if the above is the case, than you are pilling up grease on your skin and then the best make-up will look horrible.
When using make-up, a light non greasy cream is the only thing that you can use.
You also should not use special skin-gels under your make-up, because after a while the gel becomes greasy.

You need a 'light-weight' make-up.
So, what to do?
Don't think that brands like Chanel are 'it', because they are not. Chanel used to be good, but not anymore.
Go to a store where they have more brands. Go to another counter, not the Chanel stand, and explain what the problem is when using Chanel, and tell them that your skin is perfect, but becomes very caky and greasy when using Chanel. Then try to get samples from different brands; just enough to wear it once during the day and once during the evening/night. And then test which one applies best to your face (we are all different!!! he, you can even re-try the stick)

Step 1:
Apply a non-greasy light day cream. Wait for at least 10 minutes before applying your make-up. Then use a sponge that is slightly moist, dap this on your stick and dap this on your skin, cheeks and eyes first, then the forehead spreading to your temples and some on your chin. Remember to fade the make-up a bit under your chin etc.
Do not put any make-up on your nose. Your nose doesn't need make up, and when make-up is applied well, we do not use make-up on our nose. Not using make up on your nose is called "the natural look". Only for special make-up photos does one apply a bit on the nose when required.

Step 2:
If you think that the make-up is still to thick, then you take a napkin and lay this on your face, and press it softly on your face, thus absorbing the excess grease from your face.

Step3:
Loose natural finishing powder such as "Natural Finish Loose Powder no; 50 Pęche", from Chanel (look at this powder, and you know what I mean, because most powders are much more thick and caky}
Then use a good natural hair make up brush. (synthetic hair make-up brushes are really bad, instead of mixing the powder with the foundation, it lays the powder on top of it, which is not good. So, spend some money on a good brush, just as you need a good powder, like this one from Chanel; it lasts a very long time, and a good fixating powder is way more important than an expensive make-up}
Softly dap the powder on your face.
Gently remove, using a powder puff, the excess powder / make from under your eyes and from the side of your nose/mouth line (yes, that part where one sees this big happy [Smile] or not happy [Frown] line), this in order to prevent wrinkles appearing later in the day.
Then wait about 20 seconds, and use a fixating water, such as the one from Evian; every good make-up store has them. Just spray a very little bit, with the sprayer about half an arm-length away from your face. It should feel 'as if your face gets kissed by the morning fog'. Your face should NOT get wet. The make-up/powder base sucks in that little moist, and by this your make-up is fixated; ready to go.

Now, when you feel that, somewhere during the day, your make-up looks a little grease, do NOT apply more powder. Instead, you first use a tissue to absorb the grease on your skin. don't rub; just lay the tissue on top and press it against your skin.
Then use the make-up sponge that has not been cleaned {if you take it with you to work, make sure to contain it so that it 'can breathe', to prevent rotting inside the sponge}, and dap this on that part of your face that needs 'a touching up'. Then, if you want, you can apply a little bit new powder on your face, making you look all fresh and clean again.

OR: If your skin had not become greasy, but just a little bit shiny: Use the powder puff (yes the one that you have used at home to remove the excess powder from under your eyes etc). Dap it slightly on your face; most of the time this way of 'retouching your make-up' is enough.

What I've explained above, is how models do it; and that is why they look fresh and clean all the time, even after having worked all day, and went out with the same make-up. It is not about thick make up, and it is also not about piling up make-up during the day.

Important
You should wash your sponge only once a week or every 2 weeks.
Never lend your make-up stuff to others. No can do.
The powder puff should only be cleaned if its too caky; if it has absorbed too much grease.
Your brush should only be washed once in a few weeks, with mild shampoo. Otherwise the hairs fall out too soon.
Wai
09-09-2002
12:15 PM
quote:
Sanna wrote:
are SPF factors good or bad?

Bad when it comes to the metals that are put in the cream to reflect the sun, because these act like 'small mirrors', not only re-directing sunbeams from the skin, but also onto small parts of the skin, and this causes damage.

A high SPF is good when this actually means protection against the sun, without the bad effects of the metals (zinc, iron etc)

SPF literally means "sun protection factor", and protection is not bad of course, so it is not about the SPF, but how it is obtained...
karen
09-10-2002
05:27 PM
Hello Wai,
Thankīs a lot for such a wonderfull and detailed reply concerning make-up!
Love Karen
karen
11-22-2002
05:02 PM
Dear Wai,
Iīve been sticking 100% to your recomendations concerning make up, and everything seems fine.
Since my skin is clear, even the make up stays for much longer than it used to and looks velvety and even! Whow!
What was not clear to me is shoud one use the oil on the skin or moisturiser before make up?
Before you had mentioned, just to use oil on your skin, but does this aply also when using make up?
I had the feeling, that applying make up after the moisturiser I used to use before was ok, but on oil it felt caky after a while. What do you think?
I just came back from Germany, and bought an oil in a Reformhaus (surely you have those in the Netherlands; shops that sell all the healthy stuff).
1. Karotten oel (mixture of different cold pressed oils spetialy formulated to apply to skin)
Should I try it out?
2. Makadamia Oel (just pain macadamia oil also cold pressed)
Any comments?
Ciao
Karen.
RRM
11-25-2002
01:15 PM
quote:
shoud one use the oil on the skin or moisturiser before make up?
...
Before you had mentioned, just to use oil on your skin, but does this aply also when using make up?
I had the feeling, that applying make up after the moisturiser I used to use before was ok, but on oil it felt caky after a while. What do you think??

I asked Wai, and she said that the make up is about as protective as the oil is. And combining both is not good, because then this will result in a cake indeed. So, when you come back home, you first remove your make up, and THEN you put on some oil for protection.
Or of course, for those that do not use any make up, you use the oil instead of the make up as protection.

RRM
karen
11-26-2002
11:08 AM
So should I use the make up directly applied to the skin? I usually put some oil on my skin just after taking a shower, and wearing no make up during the day. But whenever I feel like using make up... whatīs up? Moisturizer first? Arenīt those a no no ?

What about body skin? Cream or Oil?
Any sugestions?
Ciao
Karen.
RRM
11-27-2002
02:23 PM
quote:
So should I use the make up directly applied to the skin?
Yes.

quote:
I usually put some oil on my skin just after taking a shower, and wearing no make up during the day.
That is perfect.

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But whenever I feel like using make up... whatīs up? Moisturizer first?
No moisturizer, just the make up. And after you've took off the make up, you apply the oil to your face.

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What about body skin? Cream or Oil?
Oil. It perfectly keeps your body skin flexible and subtle.
rospy007
12-03-2002
08:52 AM
Hi,

I use a product called Arbonne. It is all natural and competely PH balanced. You can go to www.Arbonne.com and put in my Id 10426320 and find out all about it. Its the best I've ever used and I am very pleased with it. The products are from Switzerland. God bless.
RRM
12-04-2002
01:25 PM
What are the ingredients?
What are the claims?
rospy007
12-04-2002
05:55 PM
Hi,
I'm Rospy007 (Emily's) mother. I was investigating all the things to see on your site and came across the discussion on skin care and just wanted to help others. I am doing the diet too. I really am very pleased with it. As to your question there is no vitamin E that I can find.The products are botanical and herbal based.
Mary

CHECK OUT THE
Ryan
12-05-2002
04:29 AM
hi there....

in regards to using oil for the skin.... is it ok to just have a bath and put some oil in it. I use "Johnsons baby oil with aloe vera and vitamin E" The oil stays on the surface so when you put your face under water you get a layer of oil on your face. ANd feels really good . Or is it better to apply the oil after the bath/shower.
thanks! [Roll Eyes]
rospy007
12-06-2002
08:08 PM
baby oil contains mineral oil which seals moisture out of the skin. Try this: take 2 bowls.
Put water in one, and baby oil in the other. Then put a saltine cracker in each. Let sit for a while, then check them. You'll be surprised.

Mary ( Emily's mom)
RRM
12-08-2002
02:34 PM
quote:
Ryan wrote:
is it ok to just have a bath and put some oil in it.

Yes, but not baby oil.
Cold pressed (extra virgin), low vitamin E oil is great for your body.
RRM
12-08-2002
02:39 PM
quote:
rospy007 wrote:
As to your question there is no vitamin E that I can find.The products are botanical and herbal based.

It is not just about vitamin E.
And herbal / botanical does not necessarily mean good. For example, there are many herbs with phyto-progesterones that can affect your hormone metabolism. Herbs are medicins, not foods. Just as you should not take medicines without a proper diagnosis and a good reason, you should not take medicinary herbs without the proper diagnosis and reason.
So, again:
What are the ingredients?
What are the claims?
Cheryl2002
04-01-2003
09:40 PM
Dear Wai,

sorry I just want to confirm on this....you mentioned that before applying make-up, to use a light non-greasy day cream and let it sits for 10 mins....but, if I can't find any suitabel day cream, can I just cleanse face with rose water and apply foundation powder to my face straight away? Or that's bad? If so, what day cream is acceptable? Thank you!
Wai
04-03-2003
01:03 PM
if you apply the powder (if you really can pad it very evenly) and then it initially seems okay, but your face cannot fixate the powder as your foundation can.
your face will become smudgy and spotty

though there is also powder and foundation in one, but i personally don't like the cakey effect

i cannot recommend a specific cream, but be ready to spend enough money to buy a high quality one
Cheryl2002
04-04-2003
08:28 AM
Expensive day cream.... [Big Grin] with all the money saved up after following your diet instead of buying useless products....I am willing to splurge on high-quality cream/moisturizer indeed!

Please Wai....what do you use personally...?

What do you think of Cellex-C sea silk oil-free moisturizer? Ingredients include:

jojoba esters, seasilk, sodium hyaluronate,plankton extarct, sea buckthorn extract, watercress extarct, marine algae, seaweed extract.

Thank you!
Cheryl2002
04-04-2003
08:33 AM
Sorry Wai, this is a more complete list of ingredients for Cellex-C Sea Silk Oil-Free
Moisturizer :

Ingredients: Water (Aqua), Jojoba Esters, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ceteareth-20, Sodium Hyaluronate, Glycerin, Seasilk, Steric Acid, Cetyl Alcohol, Polysorbate-20, Plankton Extract, Sea Buckthorn (Frangula Alnus) Extract, Watercress (Nasturtium Officinale) Extract, Dimethyl MEA, Phenoxyethanol, Carbapol, Marine (Codium Tomentosum) Algae, Seaweed (Macrocystis Pyrifera) Extract, ULVA Lactuca Extract, Allantoin, Disodium EDTA, Methylparaben, Paraben, Green 5 (CI 61570), Blue 1 (CI 42090), Fragrance.

Really at a loss what day/night cream to use...I have been using just the seasame oil .....but really....I really hope to be able to use some other 'safe' cream to better protect my face...anti-aging.... [Big Grin]
Wai
04-04-2003
01:53 PM
ehrr, Cheryl, i advice against using ANY moisturizer...
you only need to protect your skin against dehydration

regarding the safety of the listed ingredients
check out this page: http://www.3.waisays.com/skincare.htm
Cheryl2002
04-04-2003
09:04 PM
Alright Wai....I get your point now....so I shall just stick to oil thne.....just taht your mention of a high quality cream keeps my hopes up....hee hee.... [Big Grin]

Trying to get used to the fact that I do not need anythign on my face at all part from the oil.....in the past I used to resort to all sort of expensive stuffs to solve my acne problems.....to suddenly rely on none except for the oil takes some getting used to...... [Big Grin]
gavriel
05-09-2003
01:40 PM
"Sikapur liquid (siliciumdioxid"

Before I started the diet I was using (for the last 8 years) a natural gel. I was applying it on my face and also drinking it in warm water.
It seemed to help a lot. Especialy in reducing inflamation immidiately after applying on the inflamed skin. It is bought in Europe. It is called Liquid Sikapur and in the ingredients it sais (in German Sorry): Kieselsaeuregel mit 2,8g Kieselsauereanhydrid (Siliciumdioxid) .

Wai, can you please comment on that?

thnx!
Wai
05-09-2003
01:40 PM
it is not okay
the siliciumdioxide doesnt just kill bacteria; it can do so because of its toxic properties, and that effect is not limited to the 'bad guys' (which arent even bad guys) only, but also affects healthy cells and nutrients...
Cheryl2002
05-09-2003
01:43 PM
Dear Wai,

I came across this bottle of glycerin in a pharmacy...and i just have to ask - is using this pure glycerin BP as an emollient for dry areas on face and body a BAD thing? Or it can serve as an alternative to oil?

Thank you!
Wai
05-09-2003
01:44 PM
yes, it is okay
check out this list: http://www.3.waisays.com/skincare.htm
Sanna
05-17-2003
07:05 PM
about ingredients in personal care products...

are these harmful?
-cyclopentasiloxane
-betaine
-panthenol

and what kind of toothpaste should I look for?
All the common brands (pepsodent, colgate etc) contain sodium lauryl/laureth sulfate which is classified as very harmful...isn't that what makes the paste (or shampoo) foam?
I'm worried cos I understood SLS and SLES easily penetrate through skin.

How harmful is fluoride toothpaste?

Wai, do you advise against using perfume? As fragrance was also listed as very harmful in the list of harmful ingredients.

What exactly is glycerin?

Is there a natural alternative to hair conditioner? I mean I need it to be able to comb my hair but all the conditioners I can find in the store contain bad stuff (lots) and I'm wondering if this could be harmful in the long run as I use lots of conditioner daily.
I wish there was like a fruit I could mash in my hair and then comb through [Big Grin]

.

Wai
05-29-2003
01:57 PM
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are these harmful?
-cyclopentasiloxane

its a silicone compound
in animals, low amounts already affected uterine functioning
(so, yes, its bad)

quote:
-betaine
betaine = trimethylglycine
it is also produced by the body, to aid in the metabolism of homocysteine
(not bad)

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-panthenol
it is a so called pro-vitamin (which means that it may be converted into a vitamin by the body, just as beta-carotene may get converted into vitamin A, or cholesterol into vitamin D)
panthenol may get converted into pantothenic acid (vitamin B5)
(not bad)

the 3 compounds discussed above, have been added to this list: http://www.3.waisays.com/skincare.htm


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and what kind of toothpaste should I look for?
All the common brands (pepsodent, colgate etc) contain sodium lauryl/laureth sulfate which is classified as very harmful...isn't that what makes the paste (or shampoo) foam?
I'm worried cos I understood SLS and SLES easily penetrate through skin.

sigh... yes... so many products contain bad substances...
you cant eliminate all
so, it is up to your judgement; which one contains the least bad substances?

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How harmful is fluoride toothpaste?
i dont know
i only know that it may be

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Wai, do you advise against using perfume? As fragrance was also listed as very harmful in the list of harmful ingredients.
no, i dont advise against using it
most of the contents are harmless, but some are bad
i advice to use in moderation

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What exactly is glycerin?
http://www.pioneerthinking.com/glycerin.html

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Is there a natural alternative to hair conditioner?
oil...