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| Author | Topic: results confusing; hormonal phase? |
| Simontreally 05-20-2003 06:43 AM | Hi I want this diet to work for me, but it is not, and after a month of hard work i have nothing to show for my efforts but more acne - IM GUTED ![[Frown]](../frown.gif) Im theory everything Wai sais should work, but it aint! This is what ive been eating and drinking - Loads of orange juice/ oil and sugar mix (perfect sugar fat ratio) - Bananas, apples, grapes, strawberries, raisons, rasberries, 1 avocado - 60 grams of egg yolk and honey Is my diet too sugary? Ive kept measuring carb of each fruit and drinking half olive oil. Wai in your advised diet you included salad, tomotoes and cucumber (i dont like these) so i tried to do it my way eating sweet fruits Is this where im going wrong? I now thinking as my spots are worse than before, that maybe im not that affected by dirty protein that much. My spots are worse in the morning, at say 11 at night my face aint looking that bad, so i though i would have an early night last night to see if sleep affects my acne, i went to bed at 9.15 but didnt get to sleep until 10.30, i woke at 7 up with a terrible outbreak and i havent even eaten anything wrong.Im 18 and am still developing facial hair, i did have bit more growth on my chin last night, acompanies with more spots - is this a sign its hormonal, this is making me stressed too dammit. if anyone can help, i would be v grateful |
| PhiVan 05-20-2003 01:14 PM | it took me three months to figure how to make the diet work for me. so i'll share my personal experience with you: 1. i don't measure sugar/fat ratio anymore. i actually find that i need more sugar than fat. the way to balance out blood sugar is to eat/drink constantly! 2. i also use pure sugar sport drinks (sodium-free) to get enough energy. 3. i HAVE to eat enough sashimi or i'll be tired and weak. (my body doesn't agree with egg yolks) 4. i focus on feeling good and energetic instead of doing the diet right. and when i do that, the diet just falls into place. 5. i enjoy munch foods! no more boring 'healthy' snacks. i eat chocolate and potato chips (foods for the soul, of course) ![[Big Grin]](../biggrin.gif) my diet is not exactly perfect like i wish it would be. but forget that 'perfection mentality' if the diet is NOT working for you. take it slowly, my acne is disappearing over night, but it sure is improving indeed! this diet works for me because i listen to my body and make changes slowly. hang in there! ![[Cool]](../cool.gif) |
| Simontreally 05-20-2003 01:40 PM | Yeah i have made progress with the diet, like at first made big mistakes like: rushing out and buying everything i needed (including) dun dun durrrr packeted brazil nuts BiG MiStake my skin got better, although alot more grainy like Wai said. Second mistake not having any fat for like 4 days, and eating loads of delicious fruit and as i did not read all the instructions - result one night i felt like i was dying/ lost weight and billions of spots next morning. But now for about 10 days i have been doing the diet as i stated in my previous post, and still been getting the spots. This diet is HARD, and to be fair, you would not do it unless you had a problem like acne. But now im on the diet, i cant see in the future that i will eat as much processed food as i used too - few. PLan of action i think: ![[Razz]](../tongue.gif) - go easy on the orange juice, maybe replace with fresh apple juice - egg yolk dont seem to have any effect on me, unless they are causing my acne? so i might experiment with raw tuna Stiff upper lip and all that - ![[Smile]](../smile.gif) |
| RRM 05-20-2003 03:07 PM | Hey Simon, you have been doing everything perfectly right since 10 days, so, you still have some time to go, right? The new hair on your chin shows you that you are in a wild-hormonal phase of your life, and hormones are absolutely involved in acne, but that doesn't mean that the diet cannot compensate for that. Give it a few more weeks (doing everything right as you are doing now), and you will probably doing much better! RRM |
| Simontreally 05-22-2003 03:32 AM | So will this, 'wild-hormonal phase' pass and then there is a possiblity my acne will ease??? As people say...'you're hormones will correct themselves' what ever this means, it could be a load on nonsence. Also phiVan in what was did egg yolks not suit you? im just wandering as while being on the diet 3 times i have be violently sick after consuming egg yolks. It scares me as it happens usually when im trying to get to sleep, my body wakes me up, i feel really sick, and throw up my entire stomach contents. Then im thinking what shall i do, i must eat to have enough energy to last the night. I check if the eggs are fresh, be studying then, but i do not buy organic eggs - could this make a difference? |
| littledaga 05-23-2003 09:23 AM | I started doing this diet along time ago and I'm still doing it. I'm not perfect in my eating habits but I can honestly say I havn't eaten much junk food. But when I do I have noticed about a week later a big outbreak. I am now on my 6th day again on the strict diet, and I am so happy to be in control of my acne. But I have learned that if I do eat non diet food I can't stop eating. And on the diet I am so regular, where as before I was constipated all the time. I've also realised that skin isn't important at all but being happy is. Also I did try the egg yolks for about 2 months and they didn't work at all, I now eat about 150g fresh salmon every day. My question is if I buy 300g salmon one day and eat half of it and put the other half in the fridge will it be ok to eat the other half the next day or will not be fresh anymore??? |
| Schmolch 05-23-2003 09:24 AM | Hi Simon! First time i did this diet is 7 months ago and your story sounds like mine. I still have to pay attention to find the right balance between clean foods and munchfoods because only a very very tiny bit of apparently harmless munchfood can make me wanna more and MORE AND MOORE :-) But today i have enough control and experience to limit these "trips into munchfood-land" so they dont do much damage. After a week i get a few small pimples and a week later they are gone. You say its more important to be happy and you are so right!!! Dunno how your situation was before but i was very tired all day, from the second i woke up until late evening, every F*CKING day in my life! Today i wake up and want to stand up and walk around and do something and the fog in my brain is gone and im awake and feel good!!! This change didnt happen fast, it took a looong time until my situation improved so drastically and only 2 days with noodles or cereals can make the fog and tiredness return a little. I have to keep the amount of munchfood very low to feel that good. Oh sorry to talk so much you asked a question: Yes you can keep the fish in the fridge up to 3 or 4 days if the fish is really fresh. The place where i buy the tuna gets fresh fish every thursday and its lying on ice until saturday. you can smell the difference but its ok it doesnt smell bad. I buy the fish thursday and saturday and have it in the fridge for 1 night. And you can add some ice to the fish in the fridge thats even better. Hey what do you mean with the egg yolks "dont work" for you? Problems digesting them? |
| Wai 05-23-2003 09:34 AM | quote:probably quote:are you sure they are fresh? quote:maybe; some people react adversely to antibiotic and drug-residues in normal eggs quote:yes PLEASE MAKE SURE TO ASK YOUR QUESTIONS IN THE PROPER THREAD (questions about fish in the eggs and fish forum, for example) Please use this search option to search the board for excisting threads that are about the topic you want to ask a question about. ALSO, WHEN YOU WANT TO POST YOUR LATEST EXPERIENCES, DO SO IN THIS THREAD, AND DONT START A NEW THREAD EVERY TIME!!! thank you |
| littledaga 05-23-2003 11:01 AM | sorry Wai, if you look at my thread that I started about my experiences you'll notice alot of people putting there posts there too. It won't happen again. |
| Wai 05-24-2003 08:28 AM | sorry, i didnt mean to be rude... thank you! |
| moydodyr 05-31-2003 01:25 PM | hormonal imbalance: how to find out if you have it? |
| JustinCredible 05-31-2003 01:27 PM | Must go to a clinic and perform blood analyzis I suppose... It would be useful to now what "hormonal imbalance" means in the word of figures. And which hormons we need to check? testosterone, may be some other? |
| Wai 05-31-2003 01:27 PM | quote:like Justincredible said... there are a number of hormones that influence the secretion of sebum and/or your water balance. a few of them: the 'progesterone family', the 'testosterone family', vasopressin, etc, but also hormones that do so indirectly, such as ACTH and cortisol... so, it may be any of these, but you best start searching by looking at progesterone and testosterone first are your dietary options ehausted? |
| moydodyr 05-31-2003 01:30 PM | quote:I am on the sample diet for 9 days so far. Not looking much better still getting new cysts. Havent cheated, aside from tap water on my back and chest... but I use the filtered water on my face and I still have zits there... This is my complete day, roughly: 10 AM 0.5 melon, sip some olive oil 12 AM - 4 PM 1 carrot, 1 cucumber, 1 pear, 2 apples, 2 bananas, 2 mandarines, 2 tomatos, 2 raw eggs, 100 ml olive oil 5 PM 1 liter orange juice + 100 ml olive oil 6-7 PM weightlifting, cardio training... 8 PM 0.5 melon, sip some olive oil bowl of grapes 9-10 PM 1 avocado 200g salmon everything by the rules so far? I noticed an improvement in overall sense of wellbeing, I dont feel bloated, I dont gas much, I feel more alert mentally. But the acne is still there and getting new ones... ![[Confused]](../confused.gif) |
| Wai 05-31-2003 01:31 PM | PFA, yes, you are doing things right is your acne equally bad as before, or did you see some improvement so far? do you remain physically inactive for 1.5 hours after taking the yolks? . |
| moydodyr 05-31-2003 01:35 PM | quote:Just as bad as before, actually worse I take at least 1 hour after the yolks, usually 2. Yesterday I didnt take the eggs at all, just the salmon before sleep. This morning got at least 3 new spots Maybe water retention isnt my problem? Is there some way to measure it? Thanks Wai. |
| Wai 05-31-2003 01:36 PM | its hard to measure water retention, because what matters is the water retained in the true skin, and its hard to measure that without measuring the fat right under your skin do you lift weights daily? most professional weightlifters have an increased testosterone production... |
| moydodyr 05-31-2003 01:38 PM | quote:I exercise daily, yes. But I dont inject any hormones or steroids or anything like that... Well, I did find one change since I went on the diet (13 days now). My zits take much longer to grow and go away... normally I'd get a zit, it would turn white in a couple of days, then form a crust and fall off in two more days. Now the same process takes 2 times longer... weird. Like in the Silverchair song .. "Body and Soul, I am Freak, Yeah I am a Freak" |
| RRM 05-31-2003 01:40 PM | Actually, keeping your body in the anabolic state permanently, does stimulate the production of anabolic hormones, naturally, so, your testosterone levels MAY be elevated, because of the daily weightlifting. RRM |
| moydodyr 06-03-2003 10:46 AM | Oh well, its the third week and I am giving up I did notice that my acne is less liquid - filled on this diet. I used to have large stains on my shirts from squashed cysts, not any more. The cysts are still there, but they are less filled, less liquid inside. So seems like water retention did go down, but it didnt help me much... So its back to the evil pills for me Is there anything I can do to test this "hormonal imbalance" and is there anything that can be done about it? |
| RRM 06-03-2003 12:45 PM | quote:A Dr can check your hormone levels, and see whether they are out of balance quote:Weightlifting MAY be the culprit, but I don't whether you are willing to test that. And the level of any hormone can be forced down by the use of specific pills (depending on the elevated hormone, and prescribed by a Dr only). RRM |
| Simontreally 06-10-2003 05:36 AM | Hey pimple faced assasin this happened to me on the diet: - Try that coconut oil - I didnt use it when i did the sample diet So i feel my efforts were wasted due to dry skin |
| moydodyr 06-13-2003 02:03 AM | I went to the doc today to ask to check hormonal levels. He told me off, said its a waste of time and only useful for females cause you can give them testosterone-suppressing chemicals, but you cant do that for males. Medicine is a dark ignorant world, we can clone humans and send spaceships to Mars but unable to solve basic problems like skin zits ![[Mad]](../mad.gif) AARRGHSimon: Thanks for suggestion, you mean applying coconut oil on the skin or drinking it? Wouldnt the oil provide more food for the bacteria to grow? |
| Simontreally 06-13-2003 02:13 PM | Yeah apply coconut oil all over your skin or almond oil, just something with a low vitamin c content as Wai said. I think if i had done this at the start of my diet, i wouldnt have had such severe breakouts. The oil lowers your sebum production to your skin, really makes a difference. I had trouble getting the oil at first, the virgin coconut oil online (is like creamy) and took ages in the post. So i got refined coconot oil like a liquid. Although the later makes your eyes sting, due to the evaperation of the oil in light. Either one is fine. I dont bother working out anymore, only my arms, as i dont see that much point. I only used to work out to make my face less podgy, but now ive stopped eating loadsa dirty protein it isnt anyway. Also most importantly forget about your spots, and limit your time on this site. Its like information overload and makes your spots worse as you stress so much. If you chill out things seem to fall into place much better, and you can use the information on this site to good use. Thats the best advise i can give you |
| RRM 06-13-2003 02:15 PM | Hmm, that doc is not totally telling the truth; such hormones ARE given to males with an out of sinc hormone metabolism. In general, docs don't consider acne as a medical problem that needs treatment other than topical stuff etc.; not until your almost suicidal. RRM |
| moydodyr 06-14-2003 05:35 AM | quote:Glad to see you found something that works for you. I'll have a look at coconut oil. Did you have a very oily skin to start with? quote:Yea, he didnt sound too informed. Damn clueless doctors Where can I read more about hormone metabolism and how its related to acne? Or at least what keywords should I use on PubMed search engine?quote:In general, its understandable cause zits usually just go away naturally. But for freaks like me who are 20+ and cant even sleep on their back cause it hurts too much, I need a nuclear warhead to fix me up not topical treatment |
| RRM 06-19-2003 01:32 PM | quote:Hormone replacement therapy male acne patients RRM |