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| Author | Topic: My experience on Wai diet |
| john 01-28-2003 02:14 PM | I did the sample diet last year, and saw that it had an effect on my skin. I never gained complete elimination because I wasn't strict. But my diet mainly consistd of fruits, avocado, and olive oil. I was eating healthier and my face was better--I thank Wai for that. I was pretty pleased that I had some control, but even when I decided to get stricter I still had problems and I couldn't entirely eliminate it. Well, when I went home over Christmas for 2 weeks I experienced something phenomenal. Two things caused me to go off MOST of the Wai diet--one, I didn't have all my same foods at home; two, I got some canker sores (bacterial cankers, not viral cold sores, that I get periodically my whole life) that made eating most fruit painful. So I began eating cooked vegetables, crackers, cookies, coke, rice, potatoes, bread, etc. I kept to a significant part of the Wai diet: abstaining from meat and dairy protein. Well, my face did not get worse on my new diet. Except when I ate meat—then I got several bumps the next day. The odd thing is, any bumps I got healed much quicker now than when I was on the Wai diet. Over the next two weeks I was continually surprised that my new diet didn’t worsen my face. The overall texture of my skin seemed to be improving as well. After Christmas vacation I have stayed on my new diet. I eat NO MEAT and NO dairy protein. BUT I eat cooked vegetables, baked potatoes, rice, baked cookies, baked crackers, bread, coke, gravy (small amount of meat protein), and butter. Eating no meat or dairy is the common Wai denominator between my two diets; but I am surprised that my face is doing better now than when on a diet of fruits, avocado, olive oil. I do not eat potato chips or fried foods. Like Wai says, the high cooking temperature of fried foods creates altered proteins that are more difficult for the body to process, leading to water retention in the skin and acne. In my case, baked snack foods with the same amount of protein don’t affect me like that. I also try to not eat beans as I think the high protein content may cause breakouts on me. This leads me to believe that the key factor in the Wai diet is the cooking method of the protein consumed. This may not be true for meat—a slow-cooked roast may be as bad as a fried burger, but maybe not. At some point I wil test my reaction to both. But for grain and potato protein if I don’t fry it then it seems much better. I still can’t figure out, though, why I broke out more while eating fruit, oil, and avocado. Fruit, avocado and olive oils should not cause acne. Once I establish a clear face on this diet I will add some things one at a time to see if I react. I will try avocado, olive oil, citrus, etc. When I test these I am going to leave my diet exactly the same except add one product at a time. |
| benzapp 01-28-2003 06:54 PM | I would be a little careful. I never have had severe acne myself, but the cooked food causes noticable bloating. I always had a bloated face I suppose. Those chubby cheeks just seemed normal. With me, I don't really get acne and never have. But as soon as I eat cooked food, or even have alcohol, my slim face balloons and my cheekbones are hardly visible. Also, how do you deal with the constipation associated with eating those cookies? I was never one to complain about constipation and always would get annoyed with every girl I know being addicted to laxatives, but now... Having a single cookie or candy causes noticable discomfort. I can feel the respiratory suppressing effects of bread and cookies very easily as well. But I become tolerant quickly as with any drug I suppose, it still makes you think though. I am no stranger to parties either. I smoked, drank, and indulged in some prescription only stimulants on new years. Had a great time, but got sick. My poor body wasn't used to it. Ended up getting bronchitis. Point of the story? After 5 days of hydrocodone cough syrup, I can say morphine has less of a constipating effect on me than bread. I have wheat and I have cramps for minimum 2 days. Morphine however, the constipation is gone as soon as the drug wears off (4-6 hours). As soon as I stopped taking it, no problems. Anyway, just another perspective from someone else who strayed from the diet during the holidays. |
| Wai 01-29-2003 02:12 PM | Dear john, i understand what you are saying, but to me, this makes no sense because you have never been totally strict. And if you have never been totally strict, having eliminated your acne TOTALLY, you can never be sure about what REALLY correlates with your acne. It remains speculation. Cooking methods / foods will "seem" to correlate with your acne. I understand the theorizing, but the only way to make SURE whether my diet totally works for you, is by maintaining the 100% strict sample diet first, long enough... |
| john 01-30-2003 03:30 PM | quote:not in my experience. When I switch from a raw foodist diet to cooked food I don't experience bloating quote:I will not disagree with that. I never even realized I was constipatd until I went off wheat. Some wheat products effect me more than others, though. quote:TMI! |
| john 01-30-2003 03:45 PM | quote:When I was on your diet I followed all tenets except I ate some rice, drank a little alcohol, and ate a little baked snack foods. My face always had some action going on. On this new diet my face has improved. That's all I was saying, I just wondered if you had any comments. quote:No, its not. I know that if I eat meat I will break out. If I eat fried potato chips I will get some bumps. Overtime I have identified direct and oft-proven correlations between foods and my face. |
| Auron 01-30-2003 09:08 PM | what she means is if you break 1 just 1 rule during the 2 week period you have to start over so, it is speculation because you're diet cannot consist mainly of fruits and raw animal food, that's all you can have during the sample diet.It makes sense that you don't break out as much on you're diet no meat no dairy less dirty protein.vegetables and wheat products don't contain as much protein as those do. |
| Auron 01-30-2003 09:11 PM | I forgot to add(why can't we edit our posts?)because you left out meat and dairy it goes with wai's principles so until you go 100% strict sample diet for 2 weeks you won't be sure. |
| Wai 02-01-2003 03:06 PM | quote:So, you NEVER were on the sample diet. quote:i'm sorry, bit i don't feel like speculating about the difference between two diets that both were not the sample diet... quote:But, there may be many more foods that are still included in your diet, that cause acne in you. That would explain why you still cannot have a 100% clear skin. Not until you can manage to COMPLETELY clear your skin as long as you stick to a certain diet / regime for 100%, can you be sure what exactly causes your acne. You may see correlations, but you cannot possible be sure, until 100% clearness.... If you manage to keep your skin totally clear) on a diet that ONLY excludes meat, dairy and deep fried foods, and can eat as many beans, rice and water-based bread (for example) as you want, THEN i will believe you. I'm NOT saying that one cannot get a clear skin excluding just meat, dairy and deep fried foods. (some are much less susceptible to bad foods than others) I'm just saying that you cannot be sure about any correlation if that correlation is not 100%. |