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| etwald 10-01-2002 06:04 PM | Hi Wai, Today I decided to stop the diet (after a very fair trial of 6 weeks) for a while and go back to a low-carbohydrate raw paleolithic diet. I noticed today that I keep getting hungry, even if I eat loads of fat with each fruit meal. Today I experimented taking a meal without fruit and with the same amount of fat and I didn't get hungry for hours.. My conclusion (please correct me if wrong): My insulin/glucose regulation mechanism (pancreas, adrenals, etc) isn't working perfectly and so, even fruit buffered with fats will make my bloodsugar fluctuate too much, causing hungriness too soon. On a low-carb diet, the insulin regulation mechanism is bypassed and I will burn fatty acids and ketone bodies as fuel. The small amount of glucose my body still needs will be converted from the protein I eat. Yes, I will eat more raw protein then.. The brains can run perfectly on ketone bodies and only a very small amount of glucose is needed for the parts of the brain and other parts of the body.. I hope that eating all foods raw will keep my face relatively clean (no acne).. Well, atleast better than before when I was eating lots of meat and eggs cooked.. Perhaps I will retry your diet again in the future.. For now, I've learned a lot of interesting things from reading your sites and discussing with you.. Thanks a lot.. Perhaps the diet isn't working too well for me, because my ancestors weren't eating that much fruit. I'm a son of a Dutch man and a woman from Surinam. So about 50% of my blood/DNA comes from Africa.. Not too much fruit in the deserts out there.. Another problem might be that I've used prednison for quite a while and that might have damaged my adrenals (or even more).. The damaged adrenals might be the cause of both the acne and the bad glucose metabolism.. Perhaps you have some notes.. Ed, The Netherlands |
| Wai 10-03-2002 07:28 AM | quote:Sounds reasonable. quote:Your muscles need A LOT of sugar. quote:So, the desserts that are there now, always have been there? No, no, no. We humans originate from the region Sudan, Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania. In Kenya, llready 1.6 million years ago, our ancestors were over 6 feet tall, on a diet of mainly fruits and some fish. That regions were filled with fruit bearing trees, and the different species of trees delivered different fruits and nuts all year around. What makes you think you originate from carnivores? Do you have triangle shaped teeth? Can you run as fast as a leopard? Where are your claws? Humans were lousy hunters before they developed 'smart' tools to help them. Our teeth prove it. quote:It's logical that that has caused some problems for you indeed. quote:ALL your DNA originates from Africa; whites are just a mutation of the black race; long before there were whites, blacks were evoluated humans. Whites are directly (from blacks) or indirectly (from asians) ascendants from the black race. The humans that migrated to the north had to cope with little sun exposure (little serotonin, little vitamin D), and thus the ones with the least pigment in their skin, survived best, and thus the white mutation was born. More importantly; it is not that white people have carnivore teeth, or a different digestion system than blacks; fundamentally we are all the same. quote:If that would be the case, you can eat all the cooked animal food that you want, without getting acne, which is NOT the case. I guess you still need raw food to prevent acne... which does not mean that you cannot increase the intake of fat... actually, that is the only thing you need to change; the fat ratio of your diet... |
| etwald 10-04-2002 10:17 AM | quote:I think this is not true in all cases.. For example, I've been on a low-carb diet for about 1.5 years before I started your diet. My condition was perfect. Building muscle mass was very easy and they virtually didn't diminish at all. Also, slow muscle activity and also fast muscle activity was no problem at all.. I had enough energy all the time. I even joined my brother for a couple courses of kickboxing and that went just fine. I had a better condition than most other people. On days that I ate virtually no (20-30g) carbohydrates it went perfect. I also know people who can run a marathon on a low-carb diet without problems.. So, I think that shows that fats are a perfect energy source for most (if not all) exercise. Ed, The Netherlands |
| etwald 10-04-2002 10:21 AM | Hi Wai, I think I found the culprit that made me feel bad (and hungry) the last few days: Grapes.. I ate a lot of grapes (the juicy, low-fiber, high-carbohydrate ones) and even if I used enough fat to buffer it, I would feel hungry and itchy soon after. Today, I ate only 2 pears and an avocado salad with lots of fat afterwards and that went just fine. So, if I eat 6 pears a day (or comparable fruits), I get about 150g of carbohydrates.. So that way I won't need to eat more proteins, as they won't need to be converted to glucose. The bulk of my energy will come from the fats I eat. Am I right about the above or won't that work in the long run ? Thanks, Ed, The Netherlands |
| Taylor 10-04-2002 12:33 PM | My acupuncturist said that alot of people have problems with grapes, feeling itchy, causing rashes, etc. |
| Wai 10-04-2002 02:08 PM | With 'regular' grapes, the culprit can be the pesticides sprayed on the grapes, and the fact that you don't peel them, but that is not the case here. In your case, I suspect that, though it may not seem so to you, fact is that the grapes are exposed to the sun too little in the Netherlands, and that they therefore can never ripen perfectly. So, to me, it seems logical that they cause problems... quote:But you did consume quite some protein, right? When consuming more protein instead of sugars, still lots of protein is converted into sugars to provide you the required glucose. On a diet that is both low in carbs AND low in protein, there is no other source of glucose, which probably will cause some problems for you, because the muscles and the brain need quite some glucose; that is a fact. Why don't you try my diet with the bulk of energy coming from fats indeed, plus consuming about 200 gram fresh raw animal food daily and the fruits as you suggested? Some acne patients are not susceptible to such a level of raw protein intake. |
| etwald 10-06-2002 06:29 AM | quote:Hi Wai, That's exactly what I have in mind and what I'm doing succesfully the last two days.. My skin is starting to improve again.. I think it had worsened due to the high glucose levels in my blood, which also causes retention of water if I'm right.. I will keep you updated, Thanks, Ed, The Netherlands |
| etwald 10-20-2002 08:50 AM | Update, the 20th of October Alas, my bloodsugar levels were still fluctuating, even with the decreased fruit intake and increased fat consumption.. I think my pancreas and adrenals are so badly worn out that I need to decrease the carbohydrate consumption to even lower levels.. I noticed this because I would get stressed way too soon and too quickly.. When I was driving my car and someone would overtake me from the right unreasonably, I get such an amazing shot of adrenalin in my blood that my heartrate increases a lot, I start trembling and feel very stressed, like flight-fight... Then I read in the Udo Rosenthal's book Fats that Kill, Fats that heal (a very good book by the way), that adrenalin productions increases four-fold when the blood sugar levels are high.. Well, that must have been the case.. Last year, when I was doing a low-carb diet I didn't get stressed at all during these situations.. Well, I decided to decrease carbohydrate consumption to 100g a day and still stick to Wai's guidelines, regarding raw food, etc.. Nowadays I eat this regularly: I eat three avocado's each day, about 300 grams of raw beef or tuna, some walnuts, some olive oil, three-four tomatoes and some carrots. Before lunch and diner I also eat a small apple or pear.. That's the maxium amount of carbohydrates I can handle without any symptoms of bloodsugar fluctuations (stress, too much adrenalin, itchyness, blood-shot eyes, trembling). The total amount of carbohydrates is 100g, fats 250g-300g, proteins 85g. I always eat my carbs with a huge amount of fat. All mineral and vitamin needs are taken care of. Only calcium and sodium are below RDA, but that's no problem I think.. I use my Diet Investigator to check the diet.. Check Diet Investigator with charts A note: I also notice that when I cheat even a little bit with cooked vegetables with spices and salt, the acne returns.. I seem to be able to handle the increased amount of raw protein.. Wai, do I eat enough protein ? I can't increase carbohydrate consumption so some protein will probably be converted into glucose. Thanks in advance for your advise, Ed, The Netherlands |
| Wai 10-20-2002 01:53 PM | I'm happy for you that you can eat that much raw protein. It might be due to your physical condition; being used to low carb diets, your body may have increased the production of enzymes that convert redundant protein into sugars. Redundant? Yes, a large part of the ingested protein is redundant by definition because the the protein quality that is lower than 100%, which is always the case. All foods always contain more of specific amino acids than you can utilize, because of the relative low levels of the 'limiting' amino acids present in our foods. So, you will always have plenty of protein left to convert into glucose without this affecting your capacity to build muscle protein, at all. Please check out http://www.13.waisays.com/protein.htm Because you eat quite some raw protein, you don't need to worry about ingesting enough protein, regarding the conversion of protein into glucose. From the protein alone, you will obtain at least 100 gram glucose without this affecting the availability of protein to (re)construct cells. If you don't understand what I'm saying (read that site!), please ask me more, and I will gladly elaborate. |