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| Author | Topic: Seeds? |
| creamy_avocado 11-11-2002 04:57 PM | yes? no? do they cause acne? ![[Eek!]](../eek.gif) |
| RRM 11-12-2002 03:25 PM | The 'problem' with seeds is that they are harder to digest (than nuts for example), because they are not 'meant for consumption', unlike fruits and nuts (it is part of the 'tactics' of the fruit- or nut-tree to make the fruits/nuts very good to eat to ensure spreading of the seeds they contain). Seeds are (to a more or lesser extend) protected against digestion by all kind of enzyminhibitors. These can impair your digestion to such an extend that more partially undecomposed proteins are absorbed, which can cause acne. RRM |
| no_dogma_pete 12-17-2002 11:12 AM | My understanding is that nuts ARE seeds, but they have a harder shell than seeds. They come from one-seeded fruit. Nut-fruit do not contain seeds, the nut is the seed. They contain only the nut. So I don't understand the idea that seeds are "meant for consumption" in comparison to nuts. It seems to me that both nuts and seeds are meant for consumption. Fruit trees will produce hundreds of fruit, with seeds/nuts, which animals eat. Some of the seeds/nuts will pass through the animal and grow a new tree, some will be collected by squirrels collected for winter food supply (and one or two forgotten which will grow into a new tree), and humans will eat some of the fruit and in the process some seeds/nuts will be eaten, some thrown away, which may also grow into a new tree. It seems, from what I've read therefore that both nuts and seeds contain enzyme inhibitors and phytates which may impair the digestion of some proteins and nuts. Some people suggest soaking to enhance digestion. I'm not sure if this is necessary, or how much impairment of digestion the inhibitors and phytates cause. No Dogma Pete |
| Pan 12-18-2002 05:03 PM | Hi Pete, great to see you here. This is a good place to be, no ass kicking when we talk about animal food or other than "raw vegan" topics :-) /Peter |
| Wai 12-19-2002 05:56 AM | quote:correct, but there is an essentiall difference: Nuts contain such a hard shell for a reason; they are part of the 'tactics' of the tree that bears them, to reproduce. The nuts are supposed to be gathered by animals that gather these nuts in order to store them so that they can still eat them later, when these nuts no longer fall from these trees. The idea is that the animals that gather these nuts, cannot find back all the nuts that they have collected, and that part of these nuts grow into new trees. Seeds do not come in such a hard shell because they are no part of the tactics to get stored. In nuts the hard shell enables them to be stored; it makes them last much longer, thus being the reward for the gatherers; the nuts can still be consumed after they have been strored for quite some time, unlike seeds. quote:No, the seeds are not meant to be consumed; they need to grow into new trees / plants directly, and need to be as numerous and non-digestible as possible to ensure reproduction. Nuts on the other hand, need to be very easy to digest in order to be attractive enough to be gathered, because this ensures that they are sometimes carried over long distances, which increases the spreading of the 'seeds'. quote:Exactly; the goal of the seeds is to not be digested, while the goal of the nuts is to be very attractive (the reward for collecting and spreading them). quote:Yes, there is no clear distinction possible between ALL nuts and seeds, there is quite some overlapse. But, yes, nuts like Brazil nuts and Macadamia nuts hardly contain any enzym inhibitors at all, while seeds contain quite a lot. quote:That is only 'necessary' for relative hard to digest seeds (and nuts), not for easy to digest nuts. One could also consider not-easy-to-digest seeds / nuts as not so suitable for humans. |
| Ryan 01-07-2003 07:53 AM | so would it be ok to eat sunflower seeds?? or Pumpkin seeds?? or is that a no no?? |
| Wai 01-07-2003 02:35 PM | the seeds are meant for reproduction of the trees they originate from, and thus contain substances that need to protect them against consumption. We have never experimented with them regarding acne, but, in theory, yes, they might cause acne in some by impairing your digestion (since containing enzyminhibitors). |
| cyro 03-04-2003 01:26 PM | Dear Wai, thak you very much for your job. The sesame seed contain too much fític acid. Doesn't it? I eat it but my sister told me that. Is that trouble eating it due this or not? |
| Wai 03-04-2003 01:27 PM | your sister is right most raw seeds (and beans and grains) contain too much phytic acid and other 'anti-nutrients' |
| cyro 03-04-2003 01:57 PM | So, doesn't worth eat it, or not? |
| Wai 03-04-2003 02:50 PM | exactly; you don't need them |