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| Author | Topic: How much fruit/juice / B12 |
| Anonymous 09-22-2002 11:10 AM | Mrs Wai, How you doin. I was just wondering, when you talk about eating at least 4lb of fruit, would fresh squeezed o.j., or a fruit salad be part of that 4lb? Or do you have to eat 4lb. of whole fruit? Another thing, would taking a b-12 vitamin supplement be okay instead of eating raw egg, or raw fish? Or could I take a b-12 supplement, plus like 1 or 2 raw egg yolks? thanks |
| Wai 09-23-2002 11:07 AM | quote:Yes. But, you need to know that the energy requirements of every person are different. So, you need to eat enough to fulfil your energy requirements. If not, you will lose muscle weight. quote:No. Instead of whole fruits, you may even drink juices only. quote:Eating no egg yolks and fish makes it a lot harder. It makes it harder to maintain the diet, due to a lack of dietary cholesterol. Also, it makes it harder to obtain enough of all nutrients. (submit your version of the diet to the nutrient calculator) quote:You don't need to; 1 or 2 egg yolks is enough to fulfil your B12 requirements, but may be not enough regarding other nutrients (submit your diet to the calculator!) |
| risrosen 02-15-2003 09:12 AM | Hi Wai, If I'm going to have mostly or only juices instead of whole fruit, how do I know how much juice I need? In other words, how much juice is equal to a given weight of whole fruit? |
| risrosen 02-15-2003 09:56 AM | Alzo...what is the minimum amount of oil that I can get away with adding to juice and still keep my blood sugar from spiking too much? I seem to have a lot of trouble digesting the oil. Thanks |
| Wai 02-16-2003 02:48 PM | quote:your body knows exactly how much juice you need, it will signal you whenever the amount of energy from the juice is almost used up; it will make you sleepy, energyless, tired, depressed. If you learn to listen to these signals, they will become clearer, and you will be able to ingest enough energy all the time. RRM almost solely (besides e.g. salmon) drinks juices, and he (6 feet 3; 191 lbs) constantly zips from these juices all day (drinking about 4.5 litres OJ each day) So, you will need to learn to listen to the signals, and keep on zipping juices all day quote:that is individually very different, so you will need to experiment with that. PLEASE check with us back in this thread regularly regarding this. Also, what are the symptoms of the "trouble digesting the oil"? |
| risrosen 02-16-2003 03:54 PM | The symptoms of what seems like trouble digesting the oil is a feeling of fullness in my stomach, or like my digestion is sort of shutting down, and maybe the thing I ate or drank is just sitting there, though the feeling can last hours. You should know that I've had a strange eating disorder for about 8 years, which has turned into a sort of digestive/phobic/obsessive-compulsive complex, especially where fats are concerned (although not in an anorexic sense--I would love to put on about 25 lbs.). It's a strange story, and I don't want to give an incomplete account of it (or a complete one, which I think would be too long for this board). But certainly my mind is very much involved--I can have the problem one time with something, and then another time not. I've been living on chiefly cereal and soy milk for the last 6 years. Anyway, I'm thinking that perhaps if I start with small amounts of oil in the juice and work my way up, I might grow to tolerate it. Today was my third day on egg yolk and for the first time I didn't have that indigestion feeling. (I just found your diet a few days ago and I'm so hoping to be able to make it work; it would be a godsend.) Also, I'm wondering if freshly made coconut milk might something to try, to put in the juice instead of oil. (Another thing about olive oil is that it doesn't mix with the juice, it floats on top...how do you deal with that?) Thanks Wai! |
| Wai 02-19-2003 12:20 PM | quote:that is a great idea! quote:yes, the yolks are a great help regarding this. please keep us updated, okay? quote:yes, you can do that, but the problem is that coconut milk contains only 0.4% fat, which is waaaaay too little (oil is 100% fat) quote:it floats on top indeed, but that is no problem; you simply stir with a fork right before drinking ... |
| risrosen 03-04-2003 06:32 PM | Wai, you said: coconut milk contains only 0.4% fat, which is waaaaay too little (oil is 100% fat) I think you may be thinking of coconut water, the liquid inside the coconut. I'm talking about milk made with the meat, like nut milk--you blend the coconut meat with water (hot, I think) in a blender and strain the mixture. According to "The Complete Book of Food Counts", homemade coconut milk has 3.6 g of fat per tablespoon. And I guess you can make nut milks with various nuts in a similar way. |
| Wai 03-07-2003 12:48 PM | yes, i meant coconut 'water', which is what is called coconut milk in the food composition books a tablespoon of oil weighs about 13 to 14 gram, which would mean that the coconut milk (the one you mean) contains about 25% fat. This means that you need 4 times more 'coconut milk' than you would need olive oil in a shake. |
| risrosen 03-20-2003 02:21 PM | Hi Wai, I'm doing pretty well with the diet--it's been about 5 weeks now. I juice in the morning, adding about 2 tsp. of oil to 1 1/2 cups of juice. I'm going to try adding more oil now. At lunch I have either fish or yolks, and then after 3 hours I have fruit salads or shakes with nut milk, or tomato-cucmber-avocado salad, for the duration of the day and evening. My biggest problem is getting sufficient calories. My eating disorder has left me unable to eat very much at one time. I don't know if the cause of that is more physical or psychological. I seem to be able to consume a maximum of about 10 g of fat per meal. Then I'll have to wait 1 1/2 to 2 hours before I can eat again. I can't have juice in the interim either. I feel fairly satisfied, though I wish I could have more. So I'm wondering, would it be better to add honey to the fruit, given that I really can't add any more fat to it? Which is worse, insufficient calories or the negative effects on the blood sugar of an imbalance between carbohydrates and fat? I've been suffering from both for six or eight years now. Thanks! |
| Wai 03-21-2003 02:57 PM | quote:why don't you add some sugar too? quote:why don't you drink oj in between meals? you can also have the juice right after the fish / yolks (no normal food, only pressed / centrifugated juices that hold no fiber) quote:you don't have to eat much just zipping only oj all day, keeps RRM at 192 lbs (lean body weight) only at night he eats fish, which is, together with some bananas, the only 'real food' that he eats quote:yes, but you can always have oj directly after; you never have to go without sufficienyt energy quote:that's perfect quote:insufficient calories is worse maybe you are not even that susceptible to much fluctuating blood sugar levels |