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| Author | Topic: worst?: dirty protein, salt, spiking blood sugar, other |
| rick 10-18-2002 12:42 PM | What have people found to be impacting their face the most? The protein, spiking blood glucose, salt intake, or other factors? I'm just wondering if there is some consensus on what's worst? |
| Scott 10-18-2002 03:33 PM | I know that dirty protein is a big problem for me. The only time I've cheated was last weekend when I had some cooked salmon. I almost immediately had four or five new breakouts. (The only new ones during the three weeks that I've been on the diet.) |
| rick 10-19-2002 11:37 AM | scott, that's interesting. have you been strict and had no breakouts? I've been experimenting with diet for 8 months. as im a big meat eater I recently realized a good way to satisfy my craving--Boston market beef gravy. Great flavor and low protein. I have it with rice and cooked vegetables and I almost feel like I've had a big home-cooked meal. The beef gravy has much fewer ingredients and chemicals than chicken or turkey. But, if anyone is missingmeat and thinking about going back, this is worth a try. |
| Wai 10-19-2002 02:22 PM | quote:In some it is the spiking blood glucose level together with the salt and protein, but in most of us, it is 'just' both the salt and the protein. I know that your skin is reltively tolerant, so that you can experiment a little, but many of us can hardly cope with anything outside the strict sample diet. So, for many people it does not make any difference; both the salt and the protein cause acne ![[Frown]](../frown.gif) Skin care is, just as spiking blood sugar levels, not an issue in many, but in those that it is an issue, it is of very much importance! BTW, if Scott breaks out from some cooked salmon, his skin probably cannot cope with the beef gravy either... |
| Scott 10-20-2002 11:01 AM | Rick, with few exceptions I have been very strict. I do *not* have new breakouts when I follow the diet, only when I cheat. As far as meat cravings are concerned, I know what you mean. After my first two weeks, I couldn't resist having some cooked fish. The problem was that I wasn't getting enough egg yolk/sashimi. Personally, I don't really want to eat sashimi--I don't care for the taste and finding it fresh is a bit of a hassle. But since I've increased my egg yolk consumption (to four yolks a day) my meat cravings have all but subsided. Have you considered eating more egg yolk/sashimi? |
| rick 10-20-2002 02:18 PM | Scott, No, I don't do the egg yolk. I do eat sushi (with rice) once a week. Congrats on being strict--what does you diet typically consist of? I was strict at the very beginning, but I have chosen not to be and suffer the consequences. I eat no meat or dairy, except the small amount of beef in gravy and I have 1 oz. of 10% protein cheese (Laughing Cow) about every other day. I eat rice, corn chips, salt, beer, cooked vegetables, dark chocolate. I do break out on cooked fish, but don't on 2 oz. Boston Market beef gravy with 1/4 (uncooked) cup rice. I chose that brand and flavor cause it has least amount of extra ingredients. You don't eat anything except what's on the strict diet? How do you eat the eggs and did you slowly build up? |
| Scott 10-21-2002 08:57 AM | Hi Rick, I'm strict with the diet not because I particularly like the food, but because I pay the price when I stray. I'm still wearing the consequences of last weekend's mistake. It sounds like you have much more forgiving skin, which is great. I don't eat anything but what's on the diet. My daily menu generally includes the following: *1 liter homemade orange juice (w/ 1 tablespoon olive oil and 2-4 raw egg yolks) *a salad consisting of 1/2 a cucumber, 1-2 tomatoes, sliced grapes, crumbled walnuts that I've shelled, 1/2 to 1 avacado, 1 tablespoon olive oil *daily, I eat 1 to 2 avacados (includes whatever I put in the salad) *lots of whole fruits: apples, bananas, cantaloupe, kiwi, oranges, plums, watermelon, *some storebought dried fruits: raisins, prunes... *some home-dried fruits: apples, bananas... *1 to 2 handfuls of brazil nuts (up to 16 nuts) I think that's about it. Without the egg yolk and avacados, I definitely could not maintain the diet very long. Eating the egg yolk, I built up slowly, as per Wai's advice. I started with a teaspoon for several days, then a whole yolk, then two, etc... It seems to be working for me.... Hopefully I can keep my cravings under control for a bit longer without adding munch food..... |
| Wai 10-21-2002 02:07 PM | Scott, How bad was your acne before the diet? (cysts? how many zits a day/week or at any given time?) How long have you been suffering from acne? When did you first see results with the diet? |
| Scott 10-21-2002 09:37 PM | Hi Wai, Right now I'm not sure what's going on. Honestly, I'm not even 100% certain that I'm suffering from acne; it might be some other sort of skin disorder/infection. But as far as I can tell at this stage, my skin does seem to be responding positively to the diet. It'll take more time for me to have a better idea. If it is acne, it's some sort of cystic type. It developed about nine months ago, and for most of the time I was convinced that it was a bacterial infection. It's fairly disgusting: weeping red sores that can become the size of quarters and excrete some sort of clear, watery pus. Acne didn't even cross my mind as a possible cause until about 6 weeks ago, because it doesn't resemble any acne that I've ever had before. It's very slow-healing, disfiguring, and sometimes seems to act like it's contagious. It will almost "crawl" from spot to spot. I sometimes apply a bit of pressure, however, so it could just be that with my interference I'm causing the infection to spread beneath the surface. Anyhow, I'm still learning to integrate your diet into my daily life. It's not always easy to follow all the rules, like resting after consuming protein, or not using tap water to wash my face. And I sometimes do extremely stupid things. For instance, the other day I accidently dropped a big gob of egg white in my O.J. I drank it anyway, and sure enough, I've had a few skin problems since. (Are the two related? I don't know.) Last week I also stupidly drank a liter of tomato juice in about five gulps. I felt like I was going to vomit for the next two days and my stomach was tied in knots. Also, I think I need to double-check some of my foods. The raisins might be giving me a hard time, for example. My most recent breakout followed a fairly hearty serving of Sunmaid California Sun-Dried Raisins. But who knows if they are really Sun-Dried? Or what kind of preservatives they contain? (The label doesn't indicate.) So... With more time, and increasingly strict adherence to the rules of the diet, I'm convinced that these questions will resolve themselves within the next couple of weeks... Hopefully by early November I'll be completely clear and writing a testimony for your list. ![[Smile]](../smile.gif) |
| rick 10-21-2002 09:57 PM | Hi Scott, I'm impressed at how strict you've been on the diet. I did it strict for the first two weeks, and foundmy cravings for cooked food seriously decrease. Your worst enemy is smell, in terms of craving. I hope you've seen a dermitologist to check whether its acne or not. It could be a symptom of another problem. It seems odd that it just attacked you all of a sudden--either your sebum excretion rate increased or your pores started becoming clogged whereas they weren't before. I'm sorry you are having so much trouble. Rick |
| Scott 10-21-2002 10:49 PM | Hi Rick, Thanks for the sympathy. The skin thing really has been a nightmare for me. I never realized how vain I was until the breakouts began appearing. It's not just about asthetics, though. It's about feeling like you're slowly being eaten alive by an invincible enemy. For me, it's ultimately about control... and mortality. As far as craving is concerned, it's true, smell is absolutely the worst! And the weekends don't help either, when I have a bit more time to think about food. I'm trying to see a dermatologist, but the earliest available appointments have been six to eight weeks away. Business is booming, I guess? Hopefully Wai's diet will continue to work and my mid-November appointment will be superfluous. Here's hoping. |
| Wai 10-22-2002 02:54 PM | Scott, how old are you? |
| Scott 10-22-2002 07:04 PM | Wai, I'm 25. Why do you ask? Because of my remark about mortality? |
| Wai 10-23-2002 01:31 PM | Because I needed to know whether you are still at the age where your hormone levels are very much subject to changes, which might explain the sudden occurence of acne. But you're not... I know of other people your age, and older, that suddenly started having acne though, so it can very well be acne. Hopefully your derm can shed some light on this! quote:That is uncertain indeed... Did you consume fat with the raisins? |
| Scott 10-24-2002 09:27 PM | My dermatologist appointment is still almost a month away, so I'll probably have it figured out well before then. It looks like my skin is clearing up again, so I think that 1) I have acne, and 2) that the diet works. Only time will tell. I'll keep you updated on my progress. |
| RRM 11-22-2002 07:48 AM | Scott, How is your skin doing now? |
| Scott 11-22-2002 09:59 AM | Hi RRM, I'm basically clear right now, except for a few small spots on the forehead that refuse to disappear. The diet has definitely healed my skin. Without a doubt. ![[Big Grin]](../biggrin.gif) Thanks for asking! scott |
| lyn 11-22-2002 11:21 AM | Scott...did you ever go to that dermatoligist appointment?...I was curious about it...I'm glad to hear about your skin doing so well...that's great! |
| Scott 11-22-2002 01:07 PM | Hi Lyn... Thank you! I canceled my dermatologist appointment because I wasn't sure if it was worth the time and money when my skin is already clear. I would have been curious to hear the dermatologist's reaction to my experience with the diet, though. Is that what you were thinking? |
| sunny 11-22-2002 01:59 PM | Hee-hee. Once, I adamantly told a group of dermatologists that I am never taking accutane. I told them that I don't need a medication that only attacks the symptoms and not the root of the problem. I'll deal with my acne the healthier way! Anyway, Scott, I'm really glad you're recovering. That's very inspiring. The positive results of your diligence with the diet motivates me to continue. moi, Sunny p.s. are you a Tolkien fan? |
| Scott 11-22-2002 05:39 PM | You tell 'em, Sunny! Sadly, we know something the dermatologists don't... How's your skin these days? Still finding it difficult to stay on the diet? It isn't terribly easy to break a lifetime's worth of eating habits, right? As for Tolkien, I think he's okay. I was force-fed the books in a college class on Oxford Christianity that I didn't like, so I have bad associations. Why do you ask? |
| sunny 11-22-2002 07:05 PM | Hey, Scott! My skin is pretty much under control. Thanks for asking. My cheek areas have softened a lot eventhough they're covered with acne scars and hyperpigmentation that only time and a healthy diet can heal. I still go overboard with the munchfood. I would still eat bread, pasta, chocolate and ice cream. One thing I've noticed is that I react strongly and almost immediately from dairy. I had too much ice cream last week and three cystic pimples (very painful, too) promptly appeared two days later. They're starting to recede, thank God, but still slightly painful. I did treat the bumps with ice, which also helped some. quote:I was reading a post of yours that you ended with 'Fare thee well'. It's a Middle Earth Language I had read in the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Obviously, I'm a fan--not a freak, just a fan. I can hardly wait for "The Two Towers" to come out in December. Fare thee well! moi, Sunny |
| lyn 11-25-2002 08:46 AM | Scott...about the derm appointment...yeah that's kinda what i was thinking |
| RRM 11-25-2002 01:29 PM | quote:Are these the same spots? I mean, do they sit on your forehead since a few months? Or do you mean that you still get them on your forehead all the time? Or you on the 100% strict diet? Lyn, 'Fare thee well', isn't that just 'old English' style? RRM |
| sunny 11-25-2002 02:05 PM | quote:I believe so, RRM. It also reminds me of the 'Lord of the Rings' trilogy by JRR Tolkien. Moi, Sunny |
| Scott 11-25-2002 10:04 PM | Tolkien and ice cream. You've got a taste for the finer things, Sunny. Hang in there. ![[Wink]](../wink.gif) |
| Scott 11-25-2002 10:19 PM | quote:RRM, mostly I still stick to the strict diet. The spots are from a few weeks ago when I cheated with some cooked salmon. They refuse to go away. Before I started the diet, I was getting a lot of acne, but the spots would heal very quickly. Now that I'm on the diet, I only get acne when I cheat. But when I do get it, it's VERY slow to heal. I wonder if anyone else has noticed this. I'm not complaining, by the way. I'm very happy with the diet's effect on my complexion. |
| RRM 11-27-2002 01:46 PM | quote:whaaa? that are some stubborn spots you have there! Two weeks was my absolute record. Aren't they shrinking at all? no white head? or any pus in it? |
| Scott 11-29-2002 08:44 AM | No shrinking, as far as I can see. Just sort of deep and dormant, I guess. Fortunately, not unsightly. |